Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > World History Forum > Asian History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Asian History Asian History Forum - China, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, New Zealand, and the Asia-Pacific Region


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old June 18th, 2017, 12:24 AM   #11
Academician
 
Joined: Jun 2015
From: India aka Bharat
Posts: 88

Quote:
Originally Posted by Devdas View Post
There is nothing new in this research, this still unable to answer that so called Aryan race came to India in 1500BC or 1750BC. We already know that Genetic split of Europeans took from the people IE in the East some 20,000 years ago. Besides that, except native Andamanese, all people in India(tribals or non-tribals) have high amount of ANI ancestry.

Aryan invasion is just one of the British colonial propaganda to promote North-South divide by creating fake Indo-Aryan and Dravidian races.
What about the conclusions of genetic studies mentioned in that article? Do you agree with them?
Onkar Karambay is offline  
Remove Ads
Old June 18th, 2017, 12:46 AM   #12

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,263

Quote:
Originally Posted by songtsen View Post
So what in new ? Except that Indians are even more intermixed than I thought before.
That's true but old thing is that it has more to do with ideology and fantasizing Hinduism as a foreign invader's religion and nothing no interest in the real history.

Last edited by Devdas; June 18th, 2017 at 12:52 AM.
Devdas is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 12:51 AM   #13

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,263

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onkar Karambay View Post
What about the conclusions of genetic studies mentioned in that article? Do you agree with them?
Talking genetics is not allowed in this forum. Beside, I live in South India, an average Telugu or Kannadiga looks no different from Marathis, Oriyas, Biharis or Bengalis. I am from North and very frequently mistaken as a Kannadiga or Telugu everywhere in South India.

Certainly, you can't fit Aryan invasion theory in between Indus valley civilization and Indo-Gangetic culture, as archaeology proved that Indo-Gangetic culture is just a continuation of dying Indus valley civilization post 1300BC. IVC didn't abruptly ended in 1500BC but a slow declination and population migration due to water shortage during 1900-1300BC period.
Devdas is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #14

mnsr's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Feb 2014
From: Asia
Posts: 1,429

Quote:
Originally Posted by Devdas View Post
Certainly, you can't fit Aryan invasion theory in between Indus valley civilization and Indo-Gangetic culture, as archaeology proved that Indo-Gangetic culture is just a continuation of dying Indus valley civilization post 1300BC. IVC didn't abruptly ended in 1500BC but a slow declination and population migration due to water shortage during 1900-1300BC period.
Not Really,

Archaeologist AH Dani : "Could we, therefore, not see the spread of this culture (Painted Grey Ware) as a result of the second invasion (or migration) from the West (Gandhara Grave Culture)."

This is quoted by BB Lal in his work on Painted Grey Ware Culture.
mnsr is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 01:10 AM   #15

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,263

Quote:
Originally Posted by mnsr View Post
Not Really,

Archaeologist AH Dani : "Could we, therefore, not see the spread of this culture (Painted Grey Ware) as a result of the second invasion (or migration) from the West (Gandhara Grave Culture)."

This is quoted by BB Lal in his work on Painted Grey Ware Culture.
As far I know professor B B Lal too don't believe in Aryan invasion, he infact found Vedic Sapta Sindhu or Sapta Saindhava strikingly similar to geography of Indus Valley civilization.
Devdas is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 01:27 AM   #16

mnsr's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Feb 2014
From: Asia
Posts: 1,429

Quote:
Originally Posted by Devdas View Post
As far I know professor B B Lal too don't believe in Aryan invasion, he infact found Vedic Sapta Sindhu or Sapta Saindhava strikingly similar to geography of Indus Valley civilization.
This quote is from the work of BB Lal
THE PAINTED GREY WARE CULTURE OF THE IRON AGE
mnsr is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 03:31 AM   #17
Academician
 
Joined: Apr 2017
From: Northern lands
Posts: 95

What if there was no Aryan invasion. What if there was just some sage or teacher that taught some northern Indians a bunch of things who then started to take over India from within, becoming the Aryans. And that the later Greeks, Cushans, Hephtalites, and Persianized Turks left a separate impact.

Last edited by Jangkwan; June 18th, 2017 at 04:41 AM.
Jangkwan is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 04:44 AM   #18
Historian
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,782

these hocus pocus theories need to be strongly discredited. Separating the Tamils from the rest of the Hinduic/Indic universe is not just a lie, it is also an insult to their memory. Tamil authors repeatedly claimed their allegiance to their Hindu roots which is why the Kalambara era of non Hindu rule is considered a dark age of Tamil lands by writers of that era.

Tamil Nadu remained a bastion of Hinduism producing stalwarts such as Shankara and Ramanuja who helped lead the way during their travels to North India at a time when that part of India was under siege by invaders.

Even Sri Lankan Tamils who are considered more Dravidian than their mainland counterparts; were also fervently Hindu and continue to remain so to this day. Infact there is no support for Dravidian nationalism in Eelam areas despite them having been considered pure blood Dravidians by most of the Dravidian Movements.
greatstreetwarrior is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 06:47 AM   #19

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,263

Quote:
Originally Posted by mnsr View Post
This quote is from the work of BB Lal
THE PAINTED GREY WARE CULTURE OF THE IRON AGE
This is the first time I am hearing someone associating Gandhara grave culture to Aryan invasion. Gandhara grave culture is contemporary to Cemetery H culture which ultimately evolved into the Indo-Gangetic culture. Cemetery H culture the dying phase of IVC is often proposed as a Vedic age period. Beside, the Mauryan Era Gandhara terracotta figures has striking similarity to the Indus valley era terracotta figures.
Devdas is offline  
Old June 18th, 2017, 06:58 AM   #20

Dreamhunter's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: Malaysia
Posts: 4,428
Blog Entries: 1

Invasions, as well as counter-invasions, hv been happening all the time, in all places, throughout all of history. There is no reason for any place, during any era of time, to be any exception.

Last edited by Dreamhunter; June 18th, 2017 at 07:00 AM.
Dreamhunter is online now  
Reply

  Historum > World History Forum > Asian History

Tags
aryan, migration, theory, update



Search tags for this page
Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Aryan invasion theory - Pro and contra rakovsky Asian History 585 January 5th, 2017 07:45 PM
Is the Aryan Invasion (into India) Theory fact or fiction Black Vegetable Asian History 1818 May 3rd, 2015 08:03 PM
Romani migration from India westward and Aryan migration theory greatstreetwarrior Asian History 0 April 24th, 2015 01:02 AM
Inherent flaw of Aryan 'migration' theory Rakshasa Asian History 164 April 8th, 2015 08:30 PM
Aryan Invasion Theory - India Rasta Asian History 1554 December 28th, 2014 02:35 AM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.