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Old June 20th, 2017, 02:06 AM   #41
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Here's the rebuttal of that article on the AMT debate
https://swarajyamag.com/amp/story/id...berals-believe
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Old June 20th, 2017, 09:58 AM   #42

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Here's the rebuttal of that article on the AMT debate
https://swarajyamag.com/amp/story/id...berals-believe
Hillarious stuff. I like how Indian fascists accuse other of fascism. India is not the centre of the universe and India was just like any other country invaded and Indians are mixed just like Germans, Brits and any other nation
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Old June 20th, 2017, 10:05 AM   #43

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How genetics is settling the Aryan migration debate - The Hindu

Here's an article from The Hindu - newspaper. It's been trending on Twitter. I thought I could share it here.

There he claims AMT is NOT a theory anymore. What are your thoughts/counter-arguments to what he says in the article?
The disussion is over. Aryan Migration happened and it is insane to suggest that Indo-Europeans or Aryans are native to India. Just because Indo-Europeans and Aryans originated in modern day Russia and Ukraine, Europeans are not automatically superior and this doesn't make Indians inferior. OIT is even worse than the anatolian theory. At least there is a migration from Anatolia documented but except of Roma and Sinti there was no major migration from South Asia into Europe in the last 10000 years.
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iINDUS SCRIPTS---"OLD TAMIL"


INDUS SCRIPT EARLY FORM OF DRAVIDIAN --"OLD TAMIL"
HINDU Special correspondent Chennai ---Nov 15-2014 02 ;11 IST

Iravatham Mahadevan, a well-known expert in Indian epigraphy, especially the Indus and Tamil Brahmi scripts, on Friday unveiled what he termed as his long years of studies on the Indus Valley script, demonstrably showing that the language of that once great civilisation “was an early form of the Dravidian.”
Making a presentation of his Latest paper, “Dravidian Proof of the Indus Script via The Rig Veda: A Case Study”-- at the Roja Muthiah Research Library here, he explained with the help of ‘ideograms- a picture or a symbol that represents an idea or a concept-,’ that the “Indus language has been correctly identified” as an Early form of the Dravidian Script.
He said the methodology followed “is to identify the ideograms, find the Dravidian roots with the nearest literal meanings and interpret them through the rebus technique to get at the intended meanings.” (A ‘rebus’ is an allusional device that uses pictures to represent words or parts of words.)
This technique has helped in arriving at this conclusion, he said.
Explaining the frequent phrase of four signs (ABCD), as in the above picture, Mr. Mahadevan, who was earlier this year awarded the prestigious ‘Campbell Medal -2014’ by the Mumbai Asiatic Society, formerly Royal Asiatic Society, said that in short, the signs stood for ‘Merchant of the City’.
Referring to two divergent streams arising from the Indus Valley civilisation, he said, ‘’the Earliest Old Tamil, which has retained the Dravidian roots of the Indus phrase still, is firmly interlinked, but with modified meanings.”

STRINGS OF NAMES
The results reveal “A string of Names and Titles associated with the Pantian [ [? Pandian] dynasty’’ whose remote Ancestors were probably Traders in the Indus civilisation, he said.After the collapse of the Indus Civilisation, he said in his paper that a section of the Indus Valley population had Migrated to South India and the “the Indus Dravidian influenced the South Dravidian Languages”. The earliest traces of such migratory influence are found in the ‘Old Tamil’.
The other stream that the Epigraphist spoke of is the “Earliest Indo-Aryan (Rig Veda), which has inherited the Indus phrase through loan translations”. ‘Pusan,’ an early Vedic God, for instance, is identified as a deity of the trading community (Vaisya). The origin of the myths associated with ‘Pusan’ becomes clear “when their source is traced to the Indus phrase,” Mr. Mahadevan contended.
The results also show that “the descendants of the Indus civilisation adopted the Indo-Aryan speech and that there was a long gap of time between the Indus civilisation and the early Vedic culture,” said Mr. Mahadevan. The ‘Vedic Age’ succeeded the Indus civilisation and the Rig Veda itself is a Product of the Composite culture”, said the scholar, who began studying the Indus script way back in 1968.
Mr. Mahadevan further explained that the results of the discovery, using the above technique, “are summarised in a Grid of Correspondences’, adding, “the Grid Constitutes the Proof of the Discovery”.
“I have not claimed to have deciphered the Indus script. But the present paper appears to me the most productive I have so far written”, he claimed in his written paper, adding that from the “Level of mere Evidence”,-- It has now “Attained The Level of Proof.”
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If there was an Indus script (people doubt even that), it still remains undeciphered.
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Here's the rebuttal of that article on the AMT debate
https://swarajyamag.com/amp/story/id...berals-believe
Good article!
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Old June 21st, 2017, 07:56 PM   #47

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Just because Indo-Europeans and Aryans originated in modern day Russia and Ukraine, Europeans are not automatically superior and this doesn't make Indians inferior.
It also does not necessarily mean that all ancient Indo-Europeans were necessarily fair-haired, coloured-eyed, fair-skinned types.
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Old June 21st, 2017, 08:09 PM   #48
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The disussion is over. Aryan Migration happened and it is insane to suggest that Indo-Europeans or Aryans are native to India. Just because Indo-Europeans and Aryans originated in modern day Russia and Ukraine, Europeans are not automatically superior and this doesn't make Indians inferior. OIT is even worse than the anatolian theory. At least there is a migration from Anatolia documented but except of Roma and Sinti there was no major migration from South Asia into Europe in the last 10000 years.
You see it too black and white. IE is just a language for starters.

Languages spread and affect other languages. Most of middle east did not start as semitic speaking, it became that way.

Of course there is movement but it is in many directions and aryan migration theory makes it sound like original indians were all white or something, which is definitely not true at least going back to 8k-10k years ago.

Language origins are not new they are very old, and they don't have a 1:1 genetic correlation or even a 2:1 or 3:1 genetic correlation.
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While I do not dispute your post, Aryans or even Tibeto/Chinese/Burmese migrants (We have a whole lot of people in Eastern India with slant eyes right from Bengal. The Eastern migration is no less than the Western migration) who came to India in West or East, being from a higher lattitude are likely to have been fairer. Even North Indians are generally fairer than South Indians. Skin color depends on lattitude and exposure to sun.

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The disussion is over. Aryan Migration happened and it is insane to suggest that Indo-Europeans or Aryans are native to India. Just because Indo-Europeans and Aryans originated in modern day Russia and Ukraine, Europeans are not automatically superior and this doesn't make Indians inferior. OIT is even worse than the anatolian theory. At least there is a migration from Anatolia documented but except of Roma and Sinti there was no major migration from South Asia into Europe in the last 10000 years.
This article is piece of nonsense, after reading you will feel some men (so called Aryans) who never saw a woman in life invaded India sometime in 1500BC. Besides, that no gene is related to any Aryan race, its just a hoax. The so called Aryan genes are present in Manipuri(a Tibeto-Burmese people) from North-East and many of the Dravidian speaking scheduled tribes of South India who never mixed with northerners unlike the non-tribal South Indians. Only the native Andamanese have preserved their genes from mixing with foreigners.

Aryan invasion theory was a colonial British propaganda. Even the most revered river of Hindus The Saraswati river dried half a millennium before the so called Aryan invasion in 1500BC, even most of the archaeological findings support cultural continuation of Indus valley civilization.
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