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Old August 19th, 2017, 09:08 PM   #21

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Regarding Sanskrit, it was the fault of Maxmuller who claimed the SANSKRIT was the mother of all languages. Whereas as the fact is " Tamil is the oldest language and mother of all languages " and its antiquity is immortal.
Vedic Sanskrit- pre-2000BC to 1500BC
Prakrit - 500BC
Tamil- 200BC to 1st century AD

As you can notice, not just Vedic Sanskrit but even her daughter language Prakrit is older in recorded form than any other language of India.
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What about Pali.
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Since Mahavira and Buddha spoke these languages around 500 BC, they are certainly older than that. Wikipedia will have some information on that, let me see. They were already "sanskritized". So, what about 'Paisachi' (Bhūtabhāṣa)?

"The 13th-century Tibetan historian Buton Rinchen Drub wrote that the early Buddhist schools were separated by choice of sacred language: the Mahāsāṃghikas used Prākrit, the Sarvāstivādins used Sanskrit, the Sthaviravādins used Paiśācī, and the Saṃmitīya used Apabhraṃśa."

"The most widely known work, although lost, attributed to be in Paiśācī is the Bṛhatkathā (literally "Big Story"), a large collection of stories in verse, attributed to Gunadhya. It is known of through its adaptations in Sanskrit as the Kathasaritsagara in the 11th century by Somadeva, and also from the Bṛhatkathā by Kshemendra. Both Somadeva and Kshemendra were from Kashmir where the Bṛhatkathā was said to be popular."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisaci

"The word Prakrit itself has a flexible definition, being defined sometimes as "original, natural, artless, normal, ordinary, usual", or "vernacular", in contrast to the literary and religious orthodoxy of Sanskrit. Alternatively, Prakrit can be taken to mean "derived from an original," which means evolved in a natural way. Prakrit is foremost a native term, designating "vernaculars" as opposed to Sanskrit.

"The phrase "Dramatic Prakrits" often refers to three most prominent of them: Shauraseni, Magadhi Prakrit, and Maharashtri Prakrit. However, there were a slew of other less commonly used Prakrits that also fall into this category. These include Pracya, Bahliki, Daksinatya, Sakari, Candali, Sabari, Abhiri, Dramili, and Odri."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prakrit

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There no Tamil language tree. There is however a dravidian language family with Kannada, Tulu, Tamil and Malayalam in the southern sub-family. Telugu, Gondi etc in the central and Brahui and other in the northern one.
Dravidians spoke Tamil initially and from Tamil evolved the other dravidian language.
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Vedic Sanskrit- pre-2000BC to 1500BC
Prakrit - 500BC
Tamil- 200BC to 1st century AD

As you can notice, not just Vedic Sanskrit but even her daughter language Prakrit is older in recorded form than any other language of India.
Hope , you remember our earlier discussions on this subject. I would like to recall that , there is no any substantial proof available as per the Archaeological survey of India for the existence of Sanskrit Stone scriptures and the oldest such is dated only belongs to 150 AD.



In the above video you can see Sanskrit is placed on the second oldest language and Tamil is the oldest of all. Claiming Sanskrit as the second oldest also a false because Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Hebrew and Araimic are much much older than Sanskrit.

Claiming Sanskrit as the oldest language is a myth and false teaching which was generated by Aryans of Ancient India with the help of European Linguistic scholars like Max muller.

Even from Bible I can show the evidence that Tamil was existed well before the Abrahamic lineage. Please read Genesis 11th Chapter verses 1 to 3
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Vedic Sanskrit- pre-2000BC to 1500BC
Prakrit - 500BC
Tamil- 200BC to 1st century AD

As you can notice, not just Vedic Sanskrit but even her daughter language Prakrit is older in recorded form than any other language of India.
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I would like to recall that, there is no any substantial proof available as per the Archaeological survey of India for the existence of Sanskrit Stone scriptures and the oldest such is dated only belongs to 150 AD.

Claiming Sanskrit as the oldest language is a myth and false teaching which was generated by Aryans of Ancient India with the help of European Linguistic scholars like Max muller.

Even from Bible I can show the evidence that Tamil was existed well before the Abrahamic lineage.
Kindly cite the Archaeological Survey of India reference. What is a Sanskrit stone sculpture and a Tamil stone sculpture? Wikipedia dates Panini to 600-400 BC. Yaska preceded him and my clansman Aupamanyava preceded Yaska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aupamanyava). So naturally, the progenitor of my clan Upamanyu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upamanyu) preceded all of them. Upamanyu has a hymn in RigVeda.

There are millions of videos on internet, they are not all words of God. I could not find any information on https://youtu.be/, therefore I take it to be a shady organization.

Ah, Bible, another of your authentic historical sources! Did Adam live for 999 years? And when was the universe created? Don't bring non-historical things in this forum discussions. Basically, talk history and not bull.
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What about Pali.
Pali was a Prakrit variant from Magadha. There were several kinds of Prakrit. Shauraseni, Magadhi, Maharashtri, Adhramagadhi, Gandhari etc. Hindi is the descendant language of Shauraseni Prakrit.

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In the above video you can see Sanskrit is placed on the second oldest language and Tamil is the oldest of all. Claiming Sanskrit as the second oldest also a false because Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Hebrew and Araimic are much much older than Sanskrit.

Claiming Sanskrit as the oldest language is a myth and false teaching which was generated by Aryans of Ancient India with the help of European Linguistic scholars like Max muller.

Even from Bible I can show the evidence that Tamil was existed well before the Abrahamic lineage. Please read Genesis 11th Chapter verses 1 to 3
Your claim has no credibility. All historians agrees Sanskrit is atleast old as 1500BC, other finding like dating of Sarswati put it older than 2000BC. Tamil is relatively modern language when compared to Vedic Sanskrit as there is a timegap of 2 millenniums, Tamil recorded history put between 200BC-100AD, even Tamil script is the truncated form of Mauryan Brahmi. Even Prakrit is older than Tamil with recorded history going as far as 500BC, as it was language used by Buddhist and Jains before any Tamil literature surfaced. Infact, Tamil, Telugu and Kannada all three languages have same age. Don't tell me Telugu and Kannada originated out of Tamil, Telugu and Kannada shows as much closeness with Tamil as much Russian is close to English. Only Malayalam and Tamil sounds as extremely close languages just like Hindi and Punjabi are close. I can speak both Kannada and Telugu.

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Dravidians spoke Tamil initially and from Tamil evolved the other dravidian language.
No way! Give me more information. Just a statement will not do. A proto-Dravidian language is not Tamil, just by you naming it so.
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