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Old August 31st, 2017, 12:55 AM   #1
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The IVC script


Many people in the last years have claimed to have deciphered, in full or in part, the enigmatic Indus Script. Most of their "decipherments" seem purely fanciful. One of the major obstacles to unravelling this mysterious writing system is that relatively few symbols are known: hardly enough to allow us to determine if this was an alphabet, a syllabary, a set of ideograms or pictograms...What we desperately need is to discover more of the symbols, lengthy inscriptions, above all a bilingual text...

In your opinion, has any real material progress been made toward the decipherment of the IVC script?
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Cambridge University Press 'Deciphering the Indus Script' by Asko Parpola is a good work on this subject.

As said by Jonathan Kenoyer on this - 'By far the most comprehensive and well researched study of the Indus script … It will certainly remain a classic source book for many years to come.'
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Cambridge University Press 'Deciphering the Indus Script' by Asko Parpola is a good work on this subject.

As said by Jonathan Kenoyer on this - 'By far the most comprehensive and well researched study of the Indus script … It will certainly remain a classic source book for many years to come.'
Thank you, mnsr.

Can this book be read online?
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From what I know, non so far. I for one would be over the moon the day the Indus script is deciphered.
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From what I know, non so far. I for one would be over the moon the day the Indus script is deciphered.
Lothal was a Meluhhan port city, and must have had frequent commercial contacts with Mesopotamia.

I keep hoping that in the ruins of Lothal or of the ancient Akkadian cities, a bilingual Indus-Semitic text will be discovered, which could finally enable us to understand the script and language of the Harappans.

That would be a day to rejoice!
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No IVC script has been found with full sentences. Until then, most probably it will remain un-deciphered.

But there are other leads one can use to predict what the language was. That is why most historians say it was most likely Dravidian.
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No IVC script has been found with full sentences. Until then, most probably it will remain un-deciphered.

But there are other leads one can use to predict what the language was. That is why most historians say it was most likely Dravidian.
Please explain why these historians make this claim. What criteria have they used?

By the way, the "sign-board" from Dholavira probably presents a full, albeit brief sentence.
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Please explain why these historians make this claim. What criteria have they used?
I recommend reading a few history books on Indian history by academic scholars for starters.
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I recommend reading a few history books on Indian history by academic scholars for starters.
I've read tons of specialized books on Indian PREHISTORY. The authors mostly claim that, considering the paucity of the Indus symbols, it is still impossible to determine even the linguistic group which this script represents.

From just a handful of signs, how can we discover if the language is Dravidian, Indo-European or something else?
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I've read tons of specialized books on Indian PREHISTORY. The authors mostly claim that, considering the paucity of the Indus symbols, it is still impossible to determine even the linguistic group which this script represents.

From just a handful of signs, how can we discover if the language is Dravidian, Indo-European or something else?
Through the process of elimination, and also the finding of God Shiva based worship symbols in IVC, may be more.
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