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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:06 PM   #21
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I just requested the link of the “elsewhere” that you mentioned, not the translation. Although not particularly useful to everyone, I already posted here in the Forum at request or as sources links to sources in other languages.

As a side note, the number of Portugueses that know Chinese (Mandarin) decreased after Macao transition (I had many relatives and friends there), but it is now rising again. The same doesn’t happen with the Cantonese.

Anyway to short, if you have available, it would be interesting to see the Chinese foreign help to those two countries between 1975 and 1979.
i did not save the specific link i had read, but the following thesis is on foreign support from china to viet nam

???????????????(1950?1978?) - ????
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i did not save the specific link i had read, but the following thesis is on foreign support from china to viet nam

???????????????(1950?1978?) - ????

Thanks for the link.

I am having difficulties to access the document. It seems that is not free or requires some kind of registration.

Anything about the Chinese support to Cambodia in the mentioned period?
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Old September 11th, 2017, 05:19 AM   #23
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I am having difficulties to access the document. It seems that is not free or requires some kind of registration.
it is the largest one of the chinese academic database.
yes.....academics is usually not free, i thought your local academics might have bought the access.....i cannot share the content due to library policies.

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Anything about the Chinese support to Cambodia in the mentioned period?
a new-research would be need......but since cambodia was much less weighted, i guess the data might hide somewhere as part of the contents with the viet nam's.
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OK, so clarify something for me. Apparently during Pol-Pot's reign of terror on Cambodia, the Vietnamese, at some point, invaded and overthrew him (either with or without Cambodian rebels assisting them.) For some reason, I was lead to believe it was purely out of the goodness of their hearts -- they saw fellow Communists (even if they were Cambodians) suffering at the hands of a madman and decided they needed to take him out. And they figured they could do it without angering either China or the USSR.

But is that what happened? Did they invade just because of that or was it something else? All I can think of are the following:

-> Economic woes. Maybe their economy couldn't handle the strain of wave after wave of Cambodian refugees so they took the fight to Pol-Pot.

-> Pol-Pot threatening to invade Vietnam/his influences was creeping into Vietnam.

-> The Chinese told the Vietnamese to please do something about him.

Sorry if it sounds wholly ignorant and stupid, I'm not all that clear on this history and would like your professional answers.
No refugee.

Pol-Pot didnt have to threat. He had already raid Vietnam border.

China backed Pol-Pot and told Pol-Pot to attack Vietnam.

And this is not similar to North Korea case in any way.
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Thanks for the information!

So to sum up, political agendas between the countries began to differ after the Vietnam War, with Cambodia leaning more toward the Chinese, Vietnam the Soviet Union. Not wanting to be overshadowed by Vietnam, Pol Pot made series of raids to check Vietnam. Fed up with the guy, the Vietnamese army invaded.

Correct?
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Old September 21st, 2017, 01:34 AM   #26
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Hello.Pol Pot didnt realize the fatal conséquences of his criminal national and international politic;but he was very strong to terrify his complices,who obeyed to him like a disciplined gang of murderers.
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there is a bit of traditional conflict between the Vietnamese and Kmers
the Vietnamese moved South and took the Mekong delta from the Kmers , this rankled
both were on different side in the great communism schism
the Cambodian went with China ,
the Vietnamese kept faith with the USSR

the Vietnamese / china border battle was not quite as one sided as mentioned above
but Yes the chines people army got totally whipped by few regular divisions stationned there and the local defense militias , Vietnam didn't reinforce the local troops ,
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there is a bit of traditional conflict between the Vietnamese and Kmers
the Vietnamese moved South and took the Mekong delta from the Kmers , this rankled
both were on different side in the great communism schism
the Cambodian went with China ,
the Vietnamese kept faith with the USSR

the Vietnamese / china border battle was not quite as one sided as mentioned above
but Yes the chines people army got totally whipped by few regular divisions stationned there and the local defense militias , Vietnam didn't reinforce the local troops ,
Totally whipped? What are your sources?
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this is a fair account from a military point of view
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...rc-vietnam.htm

this adventure has been compared with the Soviet -Finnish Winter war
and demonstrated that the Chinese army as a bloated incompetent organism beside goose stepping on parade .
It actually helped Deng xiao ping push off the remain of the cultural revolution as bad for national security and the necessity to modernize the country and it's armed forces .
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this is a fair account from a military point of view
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...rc-vietnam.htm

this adventure has been compared with the Soviet -Finnish Winter war
and demonstrated that the Chinese army as a bloated incompetent organism beside goose stepping on parade .
It actually helped Deng xiao ping push off the remain of the cultural revolution as bad for national security and the necessity to modernize the country and it's armed forces .
And these sources are? Some internet website?
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