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Old September 11th, 2017, 07:16 AM   #21

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But the preference for Sikhs and Punjabi Muslims came in the later stages.

I doubt that there was any idea of an Aryan connection at the time of Clive of India when the Army was restricted to Bengal.

As we know the East Indian Company was a bunch of avaricious, grasping traders aiming to acquire as much wealth as quickly as possible and adding a military arm to support this. I would have thought they would choose the most effective fighting material they had available in Bengal and hence the preference for Bengali Brahmins.
To be honest my interest with regards to British India only begins post 1849 when 'our' region was forcefully integrated into British India. So my knowledge is tad hazy pre-1849. On a side note your handle "Peccavi" was supposed to have been used by Sir Charles Napier when he conquered Sindh in 1843 as in "I have Sin ed". And class composition recruitment from 1918 in the BIA was as follows [selection of largest groups].

Punjabi Muslim - 136,000
Punjabi Sikh - 88,000
Pakhtuns - 27,000

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Old September 11th, 2017, 07:17 AM   #22
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this is the first time i am learning that brahmins were poor in India !

if anything Brahmins were one of the wealthiest people in ancient times as Brahmins held large amount of land and regularly received grants and huge sum of money from Indian kings. not to mention Brahmins also had complete Grip over Religious meters and viewed as Earthly Gods or DemiGods by other people.

my own family in Rajasthan holds a huge sum of land for last one and half millennia.

only reason Brahmans started getting poor is selling land their ancestors hold for centuries when british arrived. you can see same pattern in Modern rajputs who are getting less-wealthy day by day.


pardon my English please, i am 92 year old and at this age its too hard for me to remember name of my grandchildren lol.
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Thanks for that info. I have always imagined Brahmins as a privilaged elite who lived it good like royalty.
there is a privilege even in modern times as i mentioned in my previous post, people generally dont try to hurt us or pick fight with us as we are seen as earthly gods even today. its not fear, it's just respect.

to make things clear i dont believe in castism our society is still rigid. but situation has improved since i was in my youth.
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In a way correct. West of Iran is sort of impure for us. We can adjust with about that much. I checked 1,800 miles as the crow flies from Moyan-jo-dero to Washikunni, the Mittani capital on River Khabur.
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I find this concept of "impure line" west of Iran as strange. Where does this come from?

that concept was mostly made by UP and Bihari Brahmins i assume. Brahmins from modern day Sindh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra and south India used to regularly visit Iran, Arabian Countries and Africa on the Treading purpose.
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I find this concept of "impure line" west of Iran as strange. Where does this come from?
Basically too far away from us.
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How does this tally with the East India Company's preference for recruiting Brahmins for its Bengal Army?
Probably because of being poor, and after 1857 employing Muslims may have been considered a bit dangerous. Of course, Muslims were employed in British army in later times.

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I also have this impression of Brahmins being larger and for lack of better word more Caucasoid then the "indigenous" peoples of India. Maybe this comes from the controversial Aryan migration theory as Brahmins are a elite vestige of that.
well, that Aryan connection was there as British first tried to Civilize Parsis and Brahmins along with Rajputs in European Style.

according to my Grandfather who had worked under British people used to mentioned that Brahmins with light skin tone and eyes were viewd as High being by British people. my own old man was given promotion very frequently in government job compared to other Workers mainly due to his very light blue eyes and pale skin.

overall British raj was very helpful for most of Brahmins in India i must admit.
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[B]if anything Brahmins were one of the wealthiest people in ancient times as Brahmins held large amount of land and regularly received grants and huge sum of money from Indian kings.

my own family in Rajasthan holds a huge sum of land for last one and half millennia.
Chachaji, It was your karma in the previous birth that you were born as a brahmin and in a family which owned acres and acres of land. Every brahmin has not been so fortunate. Life is even more harder in recent times when even the the best performers are refused admissions because of reservations.
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there is a privilege even in modern times as i mentioned in my previous post, people generally don't try to hurt us or pick fight with us as we are seen as earthly gods even today. its not fear, it's just respect.
Really! Where? UP, Bihar, Haryana, Maharashtra, Tamilnadu, Kerala? Where? Don't talk of our poor and simple Rajasthan (I am from Jodhpur, but I am from a poor Kashmiri Brahmin family which settled there about 150 years ago).
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According to my Grandfather who had worked under British people used to mentioned that Brahmins with light skin tone and eyes were viewd as High being by British people. my own old man was given promotion very frequently in government job compared to other Workers mainly due to his very light blue eyes and pale skin.
Like I said, you were born with a silver/gold spoon in your mouth.

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Basically too far away from us.
Mmm oh okay. And may I ask why you insist on pronouncing "Mohjenjo Daro" in the way you do it? I mean the site is named after a village adjacent to it in Sindh, Pakistan. That village was called and is still called Mohenjo Daro. So I find it strange why you change the name. Just intriqued why you do that?

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Probably because of being poor, and after 1857 employing Muslims may have been considered a bit dangerous. Of course, Muslims were employed in British army in later times.
Actually it had nothing to do with British preferance for Muslims. But it had everything to do with preferance for certain ethnic groups. After 1870s Punjabis [both Muslim and Sikhs] and Pakhtuns recieved preferance. On the contrary Muslim Bengalis were conspiciously avoided.
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See the link below for class composition in 1918 just after WW1.

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Old September 11th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #30

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pardon my English please, i am 92 year old and at this age its too hard for me to remember name of my grandchildren lol.
Wow. That is some serious numbers you got there. Hats off to you sir.
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