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Old September 11th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #41

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chachaji, I am also a brahmin. I always thought the heat and humidity of india played a major role in the brahmin transformation from warrior to priest. Our genes and skin is more suited to the steppes. I am no expert but this is the simplest explanation i could come up with.
With all due respect to brahmins in other parts of India. Brahmins are'nt very white when compared to the rest of the population. They are dark. But Brahmins have had a history of migration from a lot of region. For example chitpavan brahmin and Konkani brahmans have likely migrated from J&K hence they are sarswat brahmins. They have same lineages as Kashmiri pandits. Hence you find some places with fairer brahmins. Now adding to that a fair skin is also dependent on whether the physical labour involved and how many hours in a day do you spend toiling in the skin. Lets give an example of afghans. Rich afghans are white as europeans and a general afghan toiling in the field or on streets is dark and tanned (Many of them darker then some fairer brahmins). Adding to that brahmins intermarried between brahmins living in very far of regions.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 11:36 AM   #42
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Yeah i understand your point. I was just juxtaposing chachaji query with the infamous aryan migrations. Anyway i am bit of an amateur here. I will hereon stick to observe and learn.

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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:10 PM   #43

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Actually one of my grandfathers, Quartermaster with Welch Regiment, is buried in India. After surviving the horrors of the Somme and Passchendaele, he succumbed to typhoid in 1920 at Ferozpur.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:25 PM   #44

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Okay guy's how many Brahmins are there in India and are they conspicious in their phenotype from average Indians?
My hunch is that at the time of Aryan assimilation, indigenous shamans and priests were included in the Brahmin fold. Otherwise the assimilation would not have worked, there would have been conflicts. That happened among Kshatriyas and Vaishyas too. A small percentage, 4.5% if we go by this report. Very varied, just like other people, perhaps a bit fairer at times:

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For example chitpavan brahmin and Konkani brahmans have likely migrated from J&K hence they are sarswat brahmins. They have same lineages as Kashmiri pandits.
Anmol, Saraswat means from Indus/Saraswati Valley. And Chitpavans may be fair but their facial and bodily features are different from Kashmiris. Cocktails, all different.

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Old September 12th, 2017, 04:37 AM   #45
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chachaji, I am also a brahmin. I always thought the heat and humidity of india played a major role in the brahmin transformation from warrior to priest. Our genes and skin is more suited to the steppes. I am no expert but this is the simplest explanation i could come up with.
Pranam Maratha ji.

true. but it depends on various factors such as how much Aryan blood of Ancient Vedic People you have.

take me for example, i was born with pale skin but became light brown with Age. today only pink freckles all over my Face, Bright Red Nose and Light blue eyes are only identification of my Vedic Identity. i am now 5.8" and still shrinking while i was 6.1" in my youth.

not only Brahmins but kayashta, Royal Rajputs and many other noble castes generally cant handle burning Heat and sun of our great Lands even Today.
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Wow. That is some serious numbers you got there. Hats off to you sir.
Thank you. what can i say, almost every person in my family lives longer. i just want moksha now as i think i have enjoyed my stay on Mother earth. it's time for me to go back to Bhagwan.
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I am reminded of the struggle ( described in so many Purana s ) of Vishwamitra a sage who was born a Kshatriya to become a Brahmin , by penance and thereby by the grace of God . And in the process he causes tremendous hardships to the King of Varanasi ( aka Benares, North India ), Harishchandra and his devout wife Taramati and their young son Rohidas.A hot tempered sage, he is unable to divest the King of his Merit and unable to deflect the King from his straight and narrow path of truthfulness. In the end he admits his defeat to the sage Vasishtha, born a Brahmin, whom he hates. As a result of the defeat, Vishwamitra loses the merit of thousands of years of his penance !
true. but i think that in order to assimilate Kshatriya clans of Vishvamitra and Kaushika kula these kathas were created by ancient Brahmins. if i am not wrong even rishi Vishvamitra claimed ancestry from Great sage Bhrigu and Atri.
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Thank you gentlemen - very interesting.

I am reading the History of India by Michael Wood but I can see I will have to read a lot more.

Actually one of my grandfathers, Quartermaster with Welch Regiment, is buried in India. After surviving the horrors of the Somme and Passchendaele, he succumbed to typhoid in 1920 at Ferozpur.
namaskar.

i still remember Ferozpur, it was strategically very important city during British Raj. i have visited that great city when i was 15 if i remember correctly with my father.

i am afraid population boom from 1960s to 1990s have destroyed beauty of that city, like many other ancient cities of North Indian plains.
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Brahmins of the western India coastal strip ( called Konkan ) have been distinguished by lighter skin, actually quite fair in many families and grey or blue-grey or blue eyes, shorter and frailer structure. I belong to that caste of Brahmins called ' Chitpavan' or ' Konkanastha ' Brahmins. Though, I am not so fair, in fact quite brown and have dark eyes.
The well known film star Madhuri Dixit, with her blue-gray eyes and fair complexion is a prime example of Chitpavan Brahmin beauty.
The legendary sage Parshuram, whose story spans several Puranas and is mentioned in the Ramayana also, was well versed in Archery as well as in Vedic knowledge. He was away from his home in the forest, in order to learn some knowledge. When he was away, the Kshatriya King Sahasrarjuna visited the Ashram ( forest house-cum-academy ) of his father Jamadagni and requested Jamadagni to part with his sacred cow Kamadhenu, who was possessing powers to grant all the wishes of her owner. On refusal of Jamadagni to give him the cow, the King forcibly took away the cow and killing the parents of Parshuram in the process. After Parshuram returned he saw the devastation and swore to take revenge on all Kshatriyas of the earth.
He then single handedly defeated and killed all the kings, all being Kshatriyas, and their progeny, not leaving a single Kshatriya alive. He is supposed to have done this in various areas of the planet totally 21 times ! Some Kshatriyas saved themselves by hiding themselves in crowds of women.
chitpavans with lighter skin and eyes generally claim origins from Iranians or Jews if i am not wrong. even great "Peshwe" warriors were from this kul as well. while chitpavans are shorter they are one of the brightest People in India.
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I cannot help offering my respects to our new poster Chachaji, an example of a venerable Brahmin, we other Brahmins and all other Indians should emulate.
Brahmin's duties are defined as Yajan, Yaajan and Adhyayan, Adhyapan. Meaning respectively to conduct the ritual of the sacred fire, to help someone else in conducting the ritual of the sacred fire, studying and teaching. We have to learn a lot from Chachaji.
pranam sir.

i believe i know very little compared to other members like you. i maybe older than you but you are surely wiser than me. i consider great and nobel people like you and Aupmanyav as my gurus as i have to learn a lot from you.

even today many people in India look up to us for Guidance, if we can not modernise our society and Nation than i am afraid no one can. our great ancestors have given us this mighty Sanskriti as Gift, now its our job to protect it and spread it to other Nations as Whole world is our Family.
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