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Old December 2nd, 2017, 05:16 PM   #1
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Emishi and the Ainu?


What (if any) connection was there between these two groups of people? Were the Emishi an Ainu group or just related? Did they interact and how did the Japanese view them and any connections they might've had? I am interested in hearing your responses.
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As far as I know the two groups were similar but not the same. They were probably decended from the same stock but had differing cultures. Some Ainu could be fair haired. Emishi were hairy but dark haired I think. They were not Caucasians or related to caucasians but they did have facial features more commonly associated with them. Both were probably decended from the Jomon.

The Emishi fought the Japanese and from them the Japanese learned to fight on horseback. The Emishi were completely eradicated, the Ainu still exist, though much diluted thanks to forced inter marriage to the Japanese.
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The Emishi were, at least in part, assimilated into mainstream Japanese society. The Northern Fujiwara of the Kanto area were supposedly of Emishi descent. Both they and the Ainu were, I believe, related to the Polynesians.
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the Ainu still exist, though much diluted thanks to forced inter marriage to the Japanese.
Was it Meiji policy? Policy name have? When exactly when it have practiced?
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The Emishi were, at least in part, assimilated into mainstream Japanese society. The Northern Fujiwara of the Kanto area were supposedly of Emishi descent. Both they and the Ainu were, I believe, related to the Polynesians.
My uncle said the Ainu are Eurasian and not Polynesian.
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My uncle said the Ainu are Eurasian and not Polynesian.
The emishi and Ainu has facial features and hair that marked them different to the Japanese. Many believed these to be Caucasian features but they are most likely the remnants of the Jomon. And neither European or Polynesian.
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The emishi and Ainu has facial features and hair that marked them different to the Japanese. Many believed these to be Caucasian features but they are most likely the remnants of the Jomon. And neither European or Polynesian.
Where did the Eurasian claim regarding the Ainu come from?
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Where did the Eurasian claim regarding the Ainu come from?
From the appearance. White skin and hairy, visibly different from all the neighbours.
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If anything, Ainu is not IE, but possibly a NEA version of proto-IE. While also not forgetting that every tribe, every nation, including IE, is a hybrid of two or more others that came before it.

Just like a person is a hybrid of two parents, and before that four grandparents, and yet before that eight great grandparents, and so on.
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If anything, Ainu is not IE, but possibly a NEA version of proto-IE. While also not forgetting that every tribe, every nation, including IE, is a hybrid of two or more others that came before it.

Just like a person is a hybrid of two parents, and before that four grandparents, and yet before that eight great grandparents, and so on.
Ainu (and it also extend to Jomons) are Ainu. They are neither related to Polynesians or Indo-Europeans, they are just natives to the region.

The typical East Asian Mongoloid look only became widespread in Asia with the Neolithic expansion, it is possible that East and Southeast Asia, when it comes to phenotype, was a very diverse region before farmers from China mainland expanded throughout Asia from 8000 years ago onward and almost replaced those earlier populations.

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