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Old December 12th, 2017, 04:13 AM   #1
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About the Great War between Joseon and Japan(Imjinwaeran 1592 year)


in April 1592, Japan invaded Joseon,Korea dynasty with 200,000 troops.

At that time, Japan's military strength was enormous.
Throughout the centuries of civil war, soldiers were elite and armed with Western weapons.
They sold half a million people to their western merchants as slaves and bought guns and gunpowder

Because there was no war for 200 years, Joseon was weaker in military strength and military numbers were few.

In addition, because Japan had never invaded a large-scale invasion in history, the military power of Joseon was focused on defending the nomadic people in the north
Japan has surprise attack with 200,000 troops, Within two months, the Japanese army captured Seoul and advanced to Pyongyang (now the capital of North Korea).

But as the hurries came on, the rear was vulnerable to enemy attacks

The embarrassing Korean government for two months soon began counterattacking.
In the battle of Jinju castle in the rear(South Central region of Korea), 3,000 defenders fought against 30,000 Japanese soldiers and killed 10,000 people and won (October 1592)
Many other battles have begun to win Japanese troops, and many people have voluntarily started fighting Japanese troops.
In the sea, General Admiral Yi Sun-shin launched three times, sinking 300 Japanese warships and taking over the maritime rights completely

The Japanese soldiers who lost all combat on land and sea were in trouble because they could not receive supplies.

They reached Pyongyang in three months, but they could not advance anymore.
Because the supply route was cut off and starved.
At that time, Ming dynasty sent 50,000 troops to help recapture Pyongyang (January 1593)
However, Ming Dynasty Army was defeated by the Japanese in the vicinity of Seoul and was no longer involved in the war.

The Japanese army gathered in Seoul in a year and found more than 100,000 of the 200,000 soldiers were killed.

Three thousand Koreans army, who want to recapture Seoul, camped near Seoul.
The Japanese forces attacked with 30,000 to defeat the Joseon army, but were defeated and 10,000 Japanese soldiers were killed (February 1593)
The Japanese soldiers were defeated in battle, and the food was burned by the Korean commandos.
So the Japanese army abandoned Seoul and started to retreat to the south coast.

The reason that the Joseon army was able to defeat a large number of Japanese soldiers in small numbers was because there were developed weapons
There were many modern weapons such as grenades, cannons, multi-guns, and Cremora.

After five years of negotiations, war was reopened in 1597.
At that time, Admiral Yi Sun-shin was dismissed by the wrong judgment of Chosun King andAdmiral Won Kyun was appointed
Admiral Won Kyun was incapacitated, defeated in battle with Japan in a few months, lost most of its 120 warships, and survived only 12 ships
The Japanese army began to advance into the interior of Korea.
At that time, Admiral Yi reinstated again and won a battle with 333 Japanese warships with 12 ships.
Most ships of the Japanese warships were destroyed,10000 japan army killed but in Joseon only one warrior was killed

The Japanese soldiers who were cut off from the supply route started to retreat again.

Japanese warlord Toyotomi Hideyoshi died (August 1598), and Japanese troops began withdrawing
However, General Admiral Yi did not intend to send Japanese troops, and in the south coast, he fought 450 Japanese warships and destroyed 400 ships and died in battle
This ended the Invasion of Japan in 1598 year.

The Ming Dynasty sent a troop, but there was not much that contributed to the war in particular.
However, I am grateful for the fact that it helped to reclaim Pyongyang and provided large-scale support for food.

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The Ming dynasty didn't contribute much to the war?

Without the intervention of the Ming, Korea wouldn't have been able to do anything to the Japanese on land.
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How did the Ming dynasty stop contributing to the war effort after Byeokjegwan? They remained in Korea for the duration of the war, even in the battle of Noryang, Yi's final battle, which you have mentioned, the Ming warships played a part in the Allied victory. Also, Joseon government was eager to sign peace with Japan exactly because the presence of Ming troops on Korean soil proved to be troublesome to the Korean government. In many of the battles of the Imjin War, there were more Chinese soldiers fighting the Japanese than there were Korean soldiers.

Japanese decision to evacute Seoul had, although influenced by the defeat at Haengju, much more to do with the fact that the Japanese army was in terrible shape, almost two-thirds of its initial strength was gone and don't forget that it was a Ming army that entered into Seoul.

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The idea that Koreans could have won the war alone and that Ming involvement is just a side war rather than the main front is just a modern retcon similar to the CCP propaganda that it was the Communists who won the war of resistance against Japan. Even contemporary Joseon believed Ming involvement was the reason the dynasty was saved, and it was one of the three gratitude the Joseon government raised as the reason in refusing to renounce their allegiance to the Ming and accept the Manchus as their overlords.
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Threads like this are why people think that ALL Koreans believe this nationalist claptrap.
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Because there was no war for 200 years, Joseon was weaker in military strength and military numbers were few.
Well there was intermittent fighting with the Jurchen and the Japanese, but no sustained conflicts. Choson had some good soldiers but most were on the northern border, and financial problems led to the lack of real soldiers in much of the other regions. Note that in the battles of Sangju and Chungju most of the "soldiers" were actually peasants recruited as late as the day before and had basically no training.

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In the sea, General Admiral Yi Sun-shin launched three times, sinking 300 Japanese warships and taking over the maritime rights completely
In the first 7 out of the total of 26 or so battles Yi was fighting mostly small squadrons of lightly-armed transports. It wasn't until the Battle of Hansando that the Japanese tried to put together a real naval force.

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However, Ming Dynasty Army was defeated by the Japanese in the vicinity of Seoul and was no longer involved in the war.
What? The Ming continued to be involved until the end of the war.

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The reason that the Joseon army was able to defeat a large number of Japanese soldiers in small numbers was because there were developed weapons
There were many modern weapons such as grenades, cannons, multi-guns, and Cremora.
The reasons were complicated. The ultimate victory was due to a combination of Ming offensives, the Korean navy cutting off the supply lines, and local Korean forces slowly wearing down on the Japanese forces. Koreans didn't use firearms much in the land battles (except sieges/defense).

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After five years of negotiations, war was reopened in 1597.
At that time, Admiral Yi Sun-shin was dismissed by the wrong judgment of Chosun King andAdmiral Won Kyun was appointed
Admiral Won Kyun was incapacitated, defeated in battle with Japan in a few months, lost most of its 120 warships, and survived only 12 ships
The Japanese army began to advance into the interior of Korea.
The Battle of Chilchollyang was very poorly managed by Won, and he didn't have the military ability or leadership skills to inspire confidence in his troops.

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At that time, Admiral Yi reinstated again and won a battle with 333 Japanese warships with 12 ships.
Most ships of the Japanese warships were destroyed,10000 japan army killed but in Joseon only one warrior was killed
Yi Sunshin had 12 or 13 two-decked battleships and a number of smaller single-decked ships which functioned as auxiliaries

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Old December 13th, 2017, 12:22 AM   #7
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If anything, the news of Ming reinforcement (re)kindled the hope of Korean people, resulting in the rise of more Uibyeong/Righteous army than previously.


Without Ming involvement, Korean probably had a better chance to take back their country if they let the righteous armies to do all the dirty job and not treating them like a bunch of rebels. Oh, and don't let the "official" Joseon land army, which was less than useless anyway, to steal credit/actively hinder the effort of righteous army volunteers.
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The Ming dynasty didn't contribute much to the war?

Without the intervention of the Ming, Korea wouldn't have been able to do anything to the Japanese on land.
Most of the battles were carried out by the Joseon army, and the Ming army was only fighting Pyongyang. Moreover, because the supply route was cut off, the Japanese army of Pyongyang should have withdrawn. The Ming army has just advanced the time of the return to Pyongyang. Could you tell me what the Ming Dynasty army was? If there is a major in the Ming army, I will admit it.
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If anything, the news of Ming reinforcement (re)kindled the hope of Korean people, resulting in the rise of more Uibyeong/Righteous army than previously.


Without Ming involvement, Korean probably had a better chance to take back their country if they let the righteous armies to do all the dirty job and not treating them like a bunch of rebels. Oh, and don't let the "official" Joseon land army, which was less than useless anyway, to steal credit/actively hinder the effort of righteous army volunteers.
Most of the great victories were handled by the Joseon Army. In the first battle of Jinju, 10,000 Japanese soldiers were killed and even though they were defeated in the second battle, they killed nearly 20,000 people. The Chosun Army took charge of numerous battles including the battle of Sanseong, Ilchi, and Unchichi. The Chosun army was never weak.
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Even a cursory glance at the history will tell you that tens of thousands of Ming troops fought in battle, for example at Ulsan, where Ming troops outnumbered the Koreans four to one. Or at Pyongyang, or at Byeokjegwan.
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