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Old December 25th, 2017, 01:31 PM   #11
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No, but we also can't show the independent existence of mathematical logic, algorithms, algebraic structures, analysis, and all other mathematical formalisms and structures that factor into the practice of linguistics so I suppose all linguistics and math is a lie and we should give it all up because we can never directly prove these abstractions exist in the real world.

And hey, why stop there? We can't directly prove the existence of 4 dimensional pseduo-Riemannian manifolds or the standard model Lagrangian so general relativity and quantum field theory are gone. Hell, we can never show that Newton's 1st law is true because we can never concoct and observe a scenario where we have no net forces acting on a system and have indefinite rectilinear motion, so Newtonian mechanics is dead. Come to think of it, even evolution can be eliminated because we can never directly observe populations of species evolving over millions of years.

Man, we're doing great work here eliminating entire mathematical and scientific models on the criterion of having to empirically verify every little aspect of them, aren't we?



As much as I would like to discuss this, forum rules are to not discuss genetics. I don't make the forum rules but I am just letting you know.



So other than free word association, do you have any reason to postulate a "deep" connection between the two?

Hahaha I love the emotional responses. always people bring up newtons 2nd law or some other silly comparison. linguistics is not a hard science. go find an inscription or proof of PIE language and when you do, let us know. till then, OIT stands.
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Old December 25th, 2017, 01:35 PM   #12
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Yes it seems to be an interesting connection. What is the theme of Edda?
"“Edda” means “grandmother,” and scholars have been unable to explain why the works bear that name. While many suggestions have been offered, the simplest has been all but overlooked: that the Eddic composer Snorri was simply invoking his wise grandmother, who may have told him the tales he transcribed. “Edda” itself may be derived from the Sanskrit veda, or sacred vidyš, both of which are terms for “knowledge;” cognates include the German wissen, the Swedish veta, and the old English wit, for “to know” (Titchenell, p. 20). Therefore it is fitting that a grandmother should convey knowledge. Together the Eddas and Vedas represent bookends on the shelf of European religious history; the further apart they are set, the more knowledge can be placed in between. "

LW HASTEN - Eddas and Vedas

of course, now people will say it is PIE connection, but the name of the PIE connection seems to be "Veda" in this case

The Eddas are basically heroic folk myths. upon deeper study, one can obviously see the connection between Thor and indra for example. the link IMO is very interesting

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Old December 25th, 2017, 02:18 PM   #13
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No, PIE is Vedic, not the reconstructed one.

Veda is not about stories. Veda has its root in "vid" meaning "to know". Yes, it will be interesting to know what are the themes of Edda.
What the name means is hardly important, I was talking about the content.

And no, "Vedic" is not PIE. If you want to prove that then show me how all modern IE languages descend from it.

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"“Edda” means “grandmother,” and scholars have been unable to explain why the works bear that name. While many suggestions have been offered, the simplest has been all but overlooked: that the Eddic composer Snorri was simply invoking his wise grandmother, who may have told him the tales he transcribed. “Edda” itself may be derived from the Sanskrit veda, or sacred vidyš, both of which are terms for “knowledge;” cognates include the German wissen, the Swedish veta, and the old English wit, for “to know” (Titchenell, p. 20). Therefore it is fitting that a grandmother should convey knowledge. Together the Eddas and Vedas represent bookends on the shelf of European religious history; the further apart they are set, the more knowledge can be placed in between. "

LW HASTEN - Eddas and Vedas

of course, now people will say it is PIE connection, but the name of the PIE connection seems to be "Veda" in this case

The Eddas are basically heroic folk myths. I don't know much about them to be honest.
So, the only connection you have is the name? Ok, fine. Still, why do you think that Vikings were not Indo-European?
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" Poetic Edda is the modern attribution for an unnamed collection of Old Norse anonymous poems,"

also ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda#Etymology

No Vedic connections shown .

Linguistics does not rely on homophones .

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/...one-homograph/
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What the name means is hardly important, I was talking about the content.

And no, "Vedic" is not PIE. If you want to prove that then show me how all modern IE languages descend from it.



So, the only connection you have is the name?
Ok, fine. Still, why do you think that Vikings were not Indo-European?
Dont forget the 'hypothetical Viking Grandmother '
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So, the only connection you have is the name? Ok, fine. Still, why do you think that Vikings were not Indo-European?
Well perhaps I should have phrased my question better : Does Norse show more similarity to Sanskrit than other IE languages. Also, I never denied they were IE. was only curious if there were other connections
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" Poetic Edda is the modern attribution for an unnamed collection of Old Norse anonymous poems,"

also ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda#Etymology

No Vedic connections shown .

Linguistics does not rely on homophones .

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/...one-homograph/
okay champion of Wikipedia, like the statue of liberty you stand with wiki as your torch. let it guide you further young padawan.
my source is from university of New York.

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Well perhaps I should have phrased my question better : Does Norse show more similarity to Sanskrit than other IE languages. Also, I never denied they were IE. was only curious if there were other connections
I would never have guessed from the opening post that your question is about linguistics. I suggest you edit the OP to make it more clear, so the newcomers won't get confused.

To answer the question, I would say that Norse is not the closest to Sanskrit. First, it is a centum language, while Sanskrit is satem, so actually closer would be Slavic languages. Though I'm not sure whether there is any monograph on the subject, comparing Norse with Sanskrit. Certainly it would be an interesting read.
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Old December 25th, 2017, 03:16 PM   #19
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okay champion of Wikipedia, like the statue of liberty you stand with wiki as your torch. let it guide you further young padawan.
my source is from university of New York.
Wrong again mate ! Yu could not have picked a worse example !

No 'padawan' here ; I have been learning and practicing sword for over 20 years (and other weaponry ) , I am one of the sword teachers in my Martial Arts club. I am also proficient with bo, jo, eku, kama and sai . Recently I created and developed a 24 step sword Vs jo form that I teach to the class and my current Martial Arts instructor.

In case you do not understand what a stepped sword Vs jo form, here is another example;

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Wrong again mate ! Yu could not have picked a worse example !

No 'padawan' here ; I have been learning and practicing sword for over 20 years (and other weaponry ) , I am one of the sword teachers in my Martial Arts club. I am also proficient with bo, jo, eku, kama and sai . Recently I created and developed a 24 step sword Vs jo form that I teach to the class and my current Martial Arts instructor.

In case you do not understand what a stepped sword Vs jo form, here is another example;

Congrats on doing those things. I myself am interested in learning Indian swordplay but have no idea how to go about it aside from moving back to India .
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