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Old December 27th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #11

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It's not beat yet, though. Still got some life in it. Still a more credible rival to Kurgan's Pontic Steppe hypothesis, our OAT, as compared to OIT. Perhaps more palatable too, excuse the pun.

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It's not beat yet, though. Still got some life in it. Still a more credible rival to Kurgan's Pontic Steppe hypothesis, our OAT, as compared to OIT. Perhaps more palatable too, excuse the pun.
Fiber and whole grains do not taste well. But they are the real deal. Get over your Anatolian origin and Steppes origin theories. OIT is the right theory.
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Uh huh. The real deal, aye? Fibre & whole grain. Yep. And that was precisely the real deal that ancient Anatolians gave to Europe. That is why, it is called OAT.
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Uh huh. The real deal, aye? Fibre & whole grain. Yep. And that was precisely the real deal that ancient Anatolians gave to Europe. That is why, it is called OAT.
To Europe - yes. To India - No. We are talking of IE speakers, and India is the origin of IE.
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Aryans were Barley people and not Oats people. We still offer that to Agni, our messenger and priest of Gods.

अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवं रत्वीजम l होतारं रत्नधातमम ll
अग्निः पूर्वेभिर्र्षिभिरीड्यो नूतनैरुत l स देवानेह वक्षति ll

aghnimīḷe purohitaṃ yajńasya devaṃ ṛtvījam l hotāraṃ ratnadhātamam ll
aghniḥ pūrvebhirṛṣibhirīḍyo nūtanairuta l sa devāneha vakṣati ll

I Laud Agni, the chosen Priest, God, minister of sacrifice, The hotar, lavishest of wealth.
Worthy is Agni to be praised by living as by ancient seers, He shall bring hitherward the Gods.

Rig Veda: Rig-Veda Book 1: HYMN I. Agni. (Book 1, Hymn 1, Verse 1-2)
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Aryans were Barley people and not Oats people. We still offer that to Agni, our messenger and priest of Gods.

अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवं रत्वीजम l होतारं रत्नधातमम ll
अग्निः पूर्वेभिर्र्षिभिरीड्यो नूतनैरुत l स देवानेह वक्षति ll

aghnimīḷe purohitaṃ yajńasya devaṃ ṛtvījam l hotāraṃ ratnadhātamam ll
aghniḥ pūrvebhirṛṣibhirīḍyo nūtanairuta l sa devāneha vakṣati ll

I Laud Agni, the chosen Priest, God, minister of sacrifice, The hotar, lavishest of wealth.
Worthy is Agni to be praised by living as by ancient seers, He shall bring hitherward the Gods.

Rig Veda: Rig-Veda Book 1: HYMN I. Agni. (Book 1, Hymn 1, Verse 1-2)
Yes, certainly we do offer barley.
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Hymn. Whoops, I mean, Hmmm.

And where is the barley in that mantra?.
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Barley is what is offered to Fire-God. Does not always need to be in the mantra.

कद ध नूनं कधप्रियः पिता पुत्रं न हस्तयोः l दधिध्वे वर्क्तबर्हिषः ll
kad dha nūnaṃ kadhapriyaḥ pitā putraṃ na hastayoḥ l dadhidhve vṛiktabarhiṣaḥ ll
WHAT now? When will ye take us by both hands, as a dear sire his son, Gods, for whom sacred grass is clipped? (Griffith)
http://sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01038.htm (Book 1, Hymn 38, Verse 1)
What then now? When will you take (us) as a dear father takes his son by both hands, O ye gods, for whom the sacred grass has been trimmed? (Max Muller - Vedic Hymns, Part I (SBE32))

Note 2. Yávasa is explained by Sâyana as grass, and Wilson's Dictionary, too, gives to it the meaning of meadow or pasture grass, whereas yava is barley. The Greek ζεά or ζειά is likewise explained as barley or rye, fodder for horses. See I, 91, 13 (RigVeda) - gâ'vah ná yávaseshu, like cows in meadows.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe32/sbe3219.htm

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Wud he not eat it if he was offered oat instead? Since it is not specified in the hymn what grain it should be. Wud be a better bet for reducing his cholesterol.
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That would be sacrilege. Not offering the God something that he likes; and there will be consequences. You sure know what angry Gods can do. Gods are not to be trifled with. Humans can be offered cardamom tea, not Gods. For them, it has to be Soma.

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