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Old December 31st, 2017, 03:13 PM   #21
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India was land of uga buga jugle dwellers who used to rome around naked before Aryans conqured and civilized them. India had never seen any civilization before Aryans, unless you count tiny Punjab and Western gujarat as representative of 7th largest country by land mess.

Even those who bought Sumerian civilization to pakistan and North west India were Neolithic farmers who used to own slaves.

Priest kings =/= Dancing Girl.
Ignorance begets ignorance.

This is how Prof. Stalney Wolpert describes the primitive central Asian aboriginal Aryan tribals who invaded India, in his book "A new History of India" 5th edition (p-25):
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Unlike the pre-Aryan peoples of Harappa, the Aryans lived in tribal villages, with their migrant herds. Their houses, fashioned of bamboo or light wood, have not survived the ravages of time; they baked no bricks, built no elaborate baths or sewer systems, created no magnificient statues or even modest figurines; they had no seals or writing, no faience of art, no splendid homes.
In other words, Aryans brought primitiveness and backwardness into India.

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Old December 31st, 2017, 03:31 PM   #22
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Bimaru ? They are central and East Indians.

I have seen all kind of Indians due to my marketing business and trust me, i can not confuse even a Gujju or UPwala(Caucasian+Munda) for a Dravidian(aboriginal+Munda+austroloid).

North india is Himalaya states, Punjab, Haryana and j/K.
I have seen all kinds of Indians. I disagree with you. Indians are a mixed people. The more north the more mixed.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 03:48 PM   #23
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Frankly, are these discussions on skin-colour, caste. descent not futile?
This is what I have been saying all along. Hindus remain heavily caste ridden, especially the higher castes. So how can India annihilate the caste system?
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Old December 31st, 2017, 06:21 PM   #24

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Good self description? Aryan Invaders into India were aboriginal tribals from Central Asia. India was a civilized place.
You have to prove that it was an invasion. Do civilised people not move? What about the Chinese and Indians landing up in USA? People migrate to places where there are greater opportunities.
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My question was more specific to what type of people were they? The point I was trying to make was that people north of the Vindya mountains were also Dravidians, but who got Aryanized linguistically.
In no part of India, there is only one type of people. They are always mixed. In Harsha's time, all types of people had already come to India. Negroid, Austro-Indians, Dravidians (whoever they are), Aryans, Greeks, Persians, Pakthas, Scythians, Kushanas, Hunas, etc., quite many of Tibeto-Burmans thrown-in in East. Similarly in South India. Aryans, Satraps and Sakas were already there. It is foolishness to talk of a pure race wrt India. I do not know where you want to draw your line and with what agenda? But kindly know that when it is an agenda, it is no longer history.
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This is what I have been saying all along. Hindus remain heavily caste ridden, especially the higher castes. So how can India annihilate the caste system?
Why should we eliminate caste? It represents our tribal, geographical, denominational, professional, cultural uniqueness. We intend to continue with it, take pride in it. The only thing that we will do is to take out discrimination from it.

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The general rule is: Higher the caste more the occurrence of lighter skin, compared to others of the same region. Brahmin caste have light and dark people, but they have more occurrences of lighter people than other castes. There are exceptions to this such as areas where people in general are more mixed.
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Many brahmins/casts of South India have more North Indian features and are fair. If you do not know bout that, then accept what we are telling you. Or are you so stooped in racism that you deny it?
I cud be wrong, but I imagine that this phenomenon is some kind of residual evidence for AIT.
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I cud be wrong, but I imagine that this phenomenon is some kind of residual evidence for AIT.
IMHO, it is the evidence of Christian missionaries spreading hate against Hinduism and carve out a bigger pie for themselves.
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In other words, Aryans brought primitiveness and backwardness into India.
They came to India from the direction of the Steppes. And steppe people being nomadic wanderers & herdsmen, place little to no value on the so called luxury trappings of life held dear by settled people. They sort of thumb their nose at folks whom they see as having the wrong priorities in life.

To them, such stuff represent weakness, vulnerability, self- indulgence & self-pampering etc. They're like more into being robust, being mobile, being ruthless etc.

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IMHO, it is the evidence of Christian missionaries spreading hate against Hinduism and carve out a bigger pie for themselves.
I believe it's more like the 'admire the dominant culture' syndrome. Since Western culture has been dominant for the last few centuries, Asians hv tended to develop a kind of subconscious internal insecurity. They deny it in their talk sometimes, maybe even often, but their own actual behaviour betray their own true feelings.

Like this general preference for relatively lighter skin, for instance, which runs all the way from West Asia, through South Asia, all the way to East & Southeast Asia. Aided also in no small part by the baggage of history, i.e. the hard-to-erase impact of ancient Indo-Aryan immigration.

The funny thing is, in the West itself, especially Western Europe & the Americas, the White population there by & large has become increasingly relatively indifferent to colour, though not to the point that we wud like yet. Still, we can see among their people, a quite significant percentage getting into partnership with coloured people, a recent former US prez having been a good example of the result of such mindset change.

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Frankly, are these discussions on skin-colour, caste. descent not futile?
Well, this is what India is. You can wish that it were otherwise, but this is just the way it is.
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Well, this is what India is. You can wish that it were otherwise, but this is just the way it is.
That is not just what India is. It is what most of the posts on India are related to. Too much noise and too little substance.
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