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Old January 1st, 2018, 02:37 AM   #41

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Which family names gives insight into lower caste status? I am really curious.
Mali and Paraiya come to mind of the top of my head.
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Mali and Paraiya come to mind of the top of my head.
Oh my god. Those words are banned in tamilnadu. Ask subramanian swamy.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dalits

Here is a list of dalits. I dont see any family names. Mudaliar, vellalar and many iyers do not use family names now. The thing is the italian guy asked how do you identify people as to which caste they belong to. You should have said certain forward caste use their surnames but not all. So it is not possible to identify people's caste from their surnames.
This is why I wrote certain castes and not all castes. Yes in most cases it is difficult to differentiate between lower castes and higher castes
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Mali and Paraiya come to mind of the top of my head.
To call Dalit by caste is an offence: SC - Rediff.com India News

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/j.../1/288754.html
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No frekkin wonder that Gerd Muller looked like a lower caste dude. But he was a prolific goalscorer, though.
Ha ha, to be fair many so called royal families do not really look better like Prince Charles of England
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Mali and Paraiya come to mind of the top of my head.
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Oh my god. Those words are banned in tamilnadu. Ask subramanian swamy.
Paraiya is untouchable, that would be objectionable all over India (5 year jail). Mali (Gardener) is OK in North India, it is not considered derogatory. For example Ashok Gehlot, the former Chief Minister of Rajasthan belongs to the Mali caste, though he uses Gehlot (Rajput surname) as his surname. Sometimes people try to camouflage their castes, but it does not really work, people know.

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Paraiya is untouchable, that would be objectionable all over India (5 year jail). Mali (Gardener) is OK in North India, it is not considered derogatory. For example Ashok Gehlot, the former Chief Minister of Rajasthan belongs to the Mali caste, though he uses Gehlot (Rajput surname) as his surname. Sometimes people try to camouflage their castes, but it does not really work, people know.
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Oh my god. Those words are banned in tamilnadu. Ask subramanian swamy.
How can names be banned? These were family names of two people I knew. I was asked to give examples of family names that indicate lower caste status, these are two that come to mind. Vishvakarman is another (thought it might be spelled with as Vishwakarman, I'm not sure. I can't remember how my friend spelled the name).

These aren't names I gave people. These are names their families have, and they have told me they come from traditionally lower caste backgrounds. And even then, in ordinary conversations I simply used their first names. Who uses family names when talking to or about a person except when you give the full name for some reason? As the article notes, intent to insult is key here. Who am I insulting? I was asked a question, to which I provided an answer drawing on anecdotal evidence.

PS: This article shared above - http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ca...c/20110419.htm gives another example of a family name/sur name which indicates caste status. Servai.

Family names are at times simply reflective of a community. If said community is lower caste, then the name will give a hint into status.

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You see, DM, there is one thing more important than the color of the skin, we term it as 'Chhab' (Chhavi). A white skinned person could be very ugly unless he/she has 'Chhab'. Something, perhaps that Krishna had. This person hardly has any 'chhab' (which even Obama had) though he is white-skinned.
LOL. Now I learn another Sanskrit word. Chhab, or Chhav. And I know its meaning in English already, without anyone telling me. It's charisma.
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'Chhavi' when attractive translates closer to 'sweetness' or 'handsomeness' (depending upon the gender), rather than 'Charisma'.
Even a dark-skinned person may have lots of it. The Indian examples are Waheeda Rehman, Rekha, Nandita Das, etc.
(The fair color you see is the effect of lighting in case of Rekha. She is dark-skinned)

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Australoid and Mundas belong to same ethnic group. Former are speakers of 'Austro-asiatic' languages, while latter speak 'Mudari language which is an Austro-asiatic language.
Australoid isn't an ethnic group, but a racial term. The term was coined in reference to the phenotype of Australian aboriginals.
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