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Old January 1st, 2018, 08:35 AM   #51

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'Chhavi' when attractive translates closer to 'sweetness' or 'handsomeness' (depending upon the gender), rather than 'Charisma'.
Even a dark-skinned person may have lots of it. The Indian examples are Waheeda Rehman, Rekha, Nandita Das, etc.
(The fair color you see is the effect of lighting in case of Rekha. She is dark-skinned)

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I am not following ur argument, you are saying that beautifull means higher status?
Also I looked for Rhekka but she looks pretty white skinned to me .

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I cud be wrong, but I imagine that this phenomenon is some kind of residual evidence for AIT.
There is a difference between an invasion and migration. The former involves aggression and violence whereas the latter doesn't. There isn't any evidence for battles or massacres being done by the Aryans that came to India. A mass migration certainly did happen though.
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I am not following ur argument, you are saying that beautifull means higher status?
Also I looked for Rhekka but she looks pretty white skinned to me .
Many Bollywood stars go through plastic surgeries and skin whitening and stuff. So what you see is not what they really were/are. This is not much different from what goes on Hollywood.
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Australoid isn't an ethnic group, but a racial term. The term was coined in reference to the phenotype of Australian aboriginals.
My impression is that ethnic group can be identified based on anyone of the several characteristics like common religion, common culture, common language, common geography.
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My impression is that ethnic group can be identified based on anyone of the several characteristics like common religion, common culture, common language, common geography.
Australoid is a term describing phenotype like Caucasoid or Mongoloid or Negroid. It has nothing to do with religion, culture, language, etc. Mundaris are an ethnic group, but Australoids are not.

Also, I think the word 'Veddoid' is used nowadays to refer to the phenotype of Indian tribals like the Mundari (named after the Vedda people in Sri Lanka who look similar). But either way, it is a term describing physical characteristics not anything related to ethnicity.
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...Why should we eliminate caste? It represents our tribal, geographical, denominational, professional, cultural uniqueness. We intend to continue with it, take pride in it. The only thing that we will do is to take out discrimination from it.
Dear Aupmanyav,

In 1920 Gandhi had the same view. But over next 20-25 years he was forced to change his views. More on this later.

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Old January 1st, 2018, 04:29 PM   #57

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There is a difference between an invasion and migration. The former involves aggression and violence whereas the latter doesn't. There isn't any evidence for battles or massacres being done by the Aryans that came to India. A mass migration certainly did happen though.
Whoops. Error there. For one moment I somehow got it into me that AIT stood for Aryan ImmigrationTheory. Slip of memory. Age catching up, cud be. Okay, AMT I mean.

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Many Bollywood stars go through plastic surgeries and skin whitening and stuff. So what you see is not what they really were/are. This is not much different from what goes on Hollywood.
During Rekha's time the technology for skin whitening was not yet so developed. It was mainly the clever use of lighting which made her look fair complexioned in pictures & movies. Indians are brilliant at that.

But in present times, I suspect that Shruti Hasaan, daughter of Kamal Hasaan, among others, might hv done it, skin whitening surgery. She looks much, much lighter skinned, even in real life, than only several years ago.
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I am not following ur argument, you are saying that beautifull means higher status? Also I looked for Rhekka but she looks pretty white skinned to me.
No. People of higher castes can be as dark as an African and people of lower castes can be as fair as a Kashmiri. Color is no indicator of caste except occasionally. Rekha here.
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"Elamkulam Manakkal Sankaran Namboodiripad (13 June 1909 – 19 March 1998), popularly EMS, was an Indian communist politician and theorist, who served as the first Chief Minister of Kerala state in 1957–59 and then again in 1967–69. As a member of the Communist Party of India (CPI), he became the first non-Indian National Congress chief minister in the Indian republic. In 1964, he led a faction of the CPI that broke away to form the Communist Party of India (Marxist) (CPM)."
A universally respected and honest person, highest brahmin caste.
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Now I remember, I once had a dream, quite many years ago, like I was in a casket or something. But it was not scary at all. And I heard a soft, melodious woman's voice calling out to me, 'Janeem ...'. I can still remember it, that scene, quite vividly. And she had kind of an Indic look too, I recall.

Now, I did not know yet then what she was saying. And that name/word also happened to be kind of close to my alternative name at home, which a Malay shaman gave to me when I was a little kid, saying to my parents that my real given name was 'not suitable' for me, making me get sick often. So I kind of thought that she was calling me by my other name, but in her own accent or something.

Only a few years ago, somehow, I found out from an Iranian friend, that the word janeem, sometimes also rendered jonaam, meant something like dear or darling, in Iranian. And then I thought, just to myself, that perhaps that old dream of mine was like an omen that I am fated to meet & marry a strikingly beautiful Iranian or Iranian-speaking woman. Just a casual thought.

Or maybe it meant that I was once an Iranian-speaking or Sanskrit-speaking Brahmin in a previous life.

Or perhaps both. Who knows.

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