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Old January 9th, 2018, 07:35 PM   #21

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Thanks! Do you have any quotes from Yi Sunshin on these ships/cannons?
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There are quite a lot so I'd really have to scour the Nanjung Ilgi and Imjin Changch'o to get a comprehensive list, but here are a few:

Nanjung Ilgi:
On the 12th day of the fourth month they tested "earth" and "black" cannons on the deck of the turtle ship in the presence of a visiting government official.

Imjin Changch'o:
At the battle of Sach'on he "commanded the turtle ship to dart into the enemy formation and shoot guns Heaven, Earth, Black, and Yellow, which it did."

At the battle of Tangp'o he mentioned that the turtle ship "dashed close to this pavilion vessel [the enemy flagship] and broke it by shooting cannonballs Black from the dragon-mouth, and by pouring down arrows and Heaven and Earth cannonballs from other cannon"

At the battle of Tanghangp'o he said they "opened fire first, shooting Earth and Black cannon and other missiles such as long arrows, bullets, and fire bombs from our ships."

At the battle of Hansando "Our ships dashed forward with the roat of cannons Earth, Black, and Victory [the most popular handcannon at this point], breaking two or three of the enemy vessels into pieces."

I remember another place where he was requesting iron for casting "earth" and "black" cannons.

He mentioned the turtle ship was enclosed and could fire cannons in all directions while being essentially invulnerable to the enemy.

In other places he described certain bays or estuaries as being too narrow for the large panokson ships to be able to maneuver.



I hope that's useful.

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Yep it certainly is useful. Thanks, wish there are more English translations of Asian sources out there.
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There are English translations of both the Nanjung Ilgi and Imjin Changch'o, which is what I used. The latter has a reasonable price on Amazon, while the other I ordered from Hanbooks a couple years back.
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*whistles* the Nanjung Ilgi on Amazon costs over 2,000. Might as well be 'not for sale' in my book. Imjin Changch'o is much more reasonable and 20 dollars.
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Another interesting thing is that the castle-like two-decked structure in the Korean ships was adapted from Japanese ships in 1555. This isn't something a lot of people would like to admit.
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I heard that the Portuguese (I think it was two galleons) anchored offshore of Korea during the Imjin War (and were NOT active participants). They came for trade purposes. Anyway, is there any account of the galleons and turtleship crossing paths?
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It had 6 gun ports per side, one in the dragon's mouth on the front, and another at the rear. It had iron spikes on a planked roof to guard against potential boarders.The number of men aboard appears to have been about 130-150 men or so.
Have you seen any report on a chemical weapon being used at mouth? Something sulfur based, I believe.
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Have you seen any report on a chemical weapon being used at mouth? Something sulfur based, I believe.
Yeah that first appears in the late 17th century painting, but it was first described in the 1795 work. It was a mix of sulfur and saltpeter. Yi's original design which was much smaller had a gun in the dragon's mouth.

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