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Old July 12th, 2018, 02:14 AM   #1
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Ancestry of guptas.


Did they belong to trader caste or warrior class?
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Well, they did quite a bit of international trade for their time, I believe. Partly to finance their wars against the newly emerging Kushan or something. And one or two of them might hv in fact reached SEA & either set up new kingdoms or revived waning old kingdoms there.
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The Gupta kings were almost certainly kshatriyas. Although the Gupta emperors themselves left behind few records, and did not explicitly state their varna status in any of them, we can deduce from other sources that they were probably kshatriyas, including the records left behind by minor Gupta kings or kings who claimed Gupta descent. Mahashiva Gupta, a local ruler in the Dakshina Koshala country (modern-day northern Chhattisgarh), was a descendant of Chandragupta Vikramaditya, and his Sirpur inscription refers to himself as a Chandravamshi kshatriya. Likewise, the Guttas (Guptas) of Dharwar, who also claim descent from Chandragupta Vikramaditya, refer to themselves as kshatriyas. We also know that the Licchavis intermarried with the Guptas when the latter were quite weak and insignificant, and it is unlikely that the Licchavis (who were an old and proud kshatriya lineage) would have intermarried with the Guptas when they were so insignificant, unless the latter were also kshatriyas of respectable ancestry.
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The Gupta kings were almost certainly kshatriyas. Although the Gupta emperors themselves left behind few records, and did not explicitly state their varna status in any of them, we can deduce from other sources that they were probably kshatriyas, including the records left behind by minor Gupta kings or kings who claimed Gupta descent. Mahashiva Gupta, a local ruler in the Dakshina Koshala country (modern-day northern Chhattisgarh), was a descendant of Chandragupta Vikramaditya, and his Sirpur inscription refers to himself as a Chandravamshi kshatriya. Likewise, the Guttas (Guptas) of Dharwar, who also claim descent from Chandragupta Vikramaditya, refer to themselves as kshatriyas. We also know that the Licchavis intermarried with the Guptas when the latter were quite weak and insignificant, and it is unlikely that the Licchavis (who were an old and proud kshatriya lineage) would have intermarried with the Guptas when they were so insignificant, unless the latter were also kshatriyas of respectable ancestry.
Thanks,i was confused because of title "gupta" used by almost all kings and wikipedia states that they were of vaishya origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin..._Gupta_dynasty
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Well, they did quite a bit of international trade for their time, I believe. Partly to finance their wars against the newly emerging Kushan or something. And one or two of them might hv in fact reached SEA & either set up new kingdoms or revived waning old kingdoms there.
i was talking about ancestry of guptas my friend,i wanted to know whether or not caste mobility was present in classical or medieval india.
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Thanks,i was confused because of title "gupta" used by almost all kings and wikipedia states that they were of vaishya origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin..._Gupta_dynasty
As far as I know, there is not a single record of any Gupta king which refers to the Gupta dynasty as vaishyas. It seems that the argument for vaishya origin is based almost entirely on the surname/title of "Gupta," but this is a very weak argument because there were plenty of known brahmans and kshatriyas who had names that included "Gupta." For example, the famous astronomer Brahmagupta and the author Vishnugupta were both brahmans.
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As far as I know, there is not a single record of any Gupta king which refers to the Gupta dynasty as vaishyas. It seems that the argument for vaishya origin is based almost entirely on the surname/title of "Gupta," but this is a very weak argument because there were plenty of known brahmans and kshatriyas who had names that included "Gupta." For example, the famous astronomer Brahmagupta and the author Vishnugupta were both brahmans.
thanks for your input,although i will keep digging a bit more.
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i was talking about ancestry of guptas my friend,i wanted to know whether or not caste mobility was present in classical or medieval india.
Oh, sorry mate. I was just thinking that I wud just contribute something, out of complete good faith. Seems that even an innocent act like this has offended you so greatly. I shud try my darndest best to not cause you any such major offence again next time then.

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Did they belong to trader caste or warrior class?
Caste ancestry of the historic Guptas remains obscure. Most speculations point to Vaishya caste. But there is a high possibility that they were originally wealthy landowners, making them Sudra caste?
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Oh, sorry mate. I was just thinking that I wud just contribute something, out of complete good faith. Seems that even an innocent act like this has offended you so greatly. I shud try my darndest best to not cause you any such major offence again next time then.
i don't know why you think i would be offended(i definitely am not offended),i just pointed out my reason for asking the question so maybe you or someone else could answer them.
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