Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > World History Forum > Asian History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Asian History Asian History Forum - China, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, New Zealand, and the Asia-Pacific Region


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old August 12th, 2018, 10:05 AM   #1

Onkar's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2018
From: India
Posts: 9
Sarasvati the heart of Aryans


Hello,


Could anyone summarize the recent developments in the study of this lost river? Some studies indicate that Ghaggar-hakra is the vedic sarasvati and it was the Himalayan-fed river while other studies reject this view. What's the recent academic consensus on the identification of Sarasvati river?

Last edited by Onkar; August 12th, 2018 at 10:49 AM.
Onkar is offline  
Remove Ads
Old August 12th, 2018, 11:24 AM   #2

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,686

Ghaggar- Hakra was considered as the Rigvedic Saraswati even before the discovery of Indus valley civilization in mid 19th century. The entire riverbed exists between Adi Badri in Himachal Pradesh to Rann of Kutch in Gujarat as mentioned in Rigveda and also the riverbed as found between Satluj and Yamuna also as per Vedas.

Its the carbon dating that messed up the thing for AIT proponents and they started denying it. The river dried 4000 years ago, even before the Aryan invasion and overlapping with Indus valley civilization, the so called Dravidian civilization destroyed by so called Aryan marauders.
Devdas is offline  
Old August 12th, 2018, 06:56 PM   #3

Aupmanyav's Avatar
Atheist, Advaitist, Hindu
 
Joined: Jun 2014
From: New Delhi, India
Posts: 4,117

Why would AMT people deny it? Yes, the river was there. Flooded the whole area in rainy season and brought riches to it, as it does even now frequently (thankfully not this year when nearly the whole of rest of India is suffering from floods).

Saraswati was/is close to the Aryan/Indian hearts (right from the Arctic days when it represented the Milky Way galaxy), the divine areal river, Aredvi Sura Anahita for Zoroastrians and Persians. They called River Argandhab in Afghanistan also as 'Harahvaiti'.

"Ardwīsūr Anāhīd, Middle Persian name of Arədvī Sūrā Anāhitā, a popular Zoroastrian yazatā; she is celebrated in Yašt 5 (known as the Ābān Yašt) which is one of the longest and best preserved of the Avestan hymns. Sūrā and anāhitā are common adjectives, meaning respectively “strong, mighty” and “undefiled, immaculate.” Only arədvī (a word otherwise unknown) is special to this divinity, and on etymological grounds it too has been interpreted as a feminine adjective, meaning “moist, humid.” The proper name of the divinity in Indo-Iranian times, H. Lommel has argued, was Sarasvatī, “she who possesses waters” (“Anahita-Sarasvati,” Asiatica, Festschrift F. Weller, Leipzig, 1954, pp. 405-13). She was still worshiped in Vedic India by this name, which was also given there to a small but very holy river in Madhyadeśa. In its Iranian form (*Harahvatī), her name was given to the region, rich in rivers, whose modern capital is Kandahar (Av. Haraxᵛaitī-, OPers. Hara(h)uvati-, Greek Arachosia); originally *Harahvatī seems to have been the personification of a great mythical river which plunges down from Mt. Harā into the sea Vourukaša and is the source of all the waters of the world."
AN?H?D ? Encyclopaedia Iranica

There are two other rivers who are called Sari-su (Golden River). One in Kopet Dagh (extreme North-East Iran) and the other being a tributary of Oxus (Turkmenistan). Although the names sound similar, but the connection with Sarasvati is not clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarasw...n_subcontinent

Click the image to open in full size. Isyana Sarasvati, Malaysian singer.

Last edited by Aupmanyav; August 12th, 2018 at 07:12 PM.
Aupmanyav is offline  
Old August 12th, 2018, 11:34 PM   #4

Aupmanyav's Avatar
Atheist, Advaitist, Hindu
 
Joined: Jun 2014
From: New Delhi, India
Posts: 4,117

News this morning: Tangri, a river which flows parallel to Saraswati to its north-west is in spate and some people have been asked to evacuate to safer places. So, I think, Saraswati too will soon bring riches to the areas it flows in.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Saraswati.jpg (49.3 KB, 6 views)
Aupmanyav is offline  
Old August 14th, 2018, 10:16 PM   #5

Dreamhunter's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: Malaysia
Posts: 6,637
Blog Entries: 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
Click the image to open in full size. Isyana Sarasvati, Malaysian singer.
Before you start getting brickbats from Jakarta, she is an Indonesian.
Dreamhunter is offline  
Old August 15th, 2018, 06:16 AM   #6

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,686

The Harxvaiti and Saraswati are different. Vedas clearly mentions Saraswati originated in mountains and joins the sea and located between Satluj and Yamuna. There is no sea in Central Asia.
Devdas is offline  
Old August 15th, 2018, 09:36 AM   #7
Suspended until August 23rd, 2018
 
Joined: Jul 2017
From: Wales
Posts: 814

Sarasvati is a variant of Eridanus of Greek Mythology , called Jordanus in Phoenician Mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridanus_(constellation)
https://greece.terrabook.com/messini...gorge-rintomo/
River Rintomo is bone-dry in the Summer and floods in the Winter.
Magus is offline  
Old August 15th, 2018, 09:42 AM   #8

Onkar's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2018
From: India
Posts: 9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Devdas View Post
The Harxvaiti and Saraswati are different. Vedas clearly mentions Saraswati originated in mountains and joins the sea and located between Satluj and Yamuna. There is no sea in Central Asia.
It's been claimed that the word Samudra means "lake".

Let's talk
Onkar is offline  
Old August 15th, 2018, 09:56 AM   #9
Suspended until August 23rd, 2018
 
Joined: Jul 2017
From: Wales
Posts: 814

Indians don't seem to realise that Aryan is another word for Persians and Medians
whom had an Empire and established trade routes between Greece and India and Greek Mythology and Language came to India, the origin of Sanskrit and Vedas that were inspired by the works of Homer and Hesiod.

The Mythology in the Bible came about during the Persian Empire and that mythology as a version of the drying-river with a similar name.

Indian Christians are deleting the Persian and Greek periods of Ancient India and predating everything 4000 years in the past, many believe the Vedas were writing during the Ice-Age, too many drugs in India.

What with this obsession with Aryan and why not just say IRAN instead.

Last edited by Magus; August 15th, 2018 at 10:02 AM.
Magus is offline  
Old August 15th, 2018, 10:18 AM   #10

Devdas's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: India
Posts: 3,686

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onkar View Post
It's been claimed that the word Samudra means "lake".

Let's talk
People claim lot many things. Samunder mainly means sea, Saraswati flowed upto Rann of Kutch. During the aftermath of Gujarat earthquake, fresh water oozed out from these region from the ancient riverbed of Saraswati.
Devdas is offline  
Reply

  Historum > World History Forum > Asian History

Tags
aryans, heart, sarasvati



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Aryans RidiculousName General History 18 December 6th, 2017 01:07 PM
Who are the Aryans? Mohammed the Persian General History 66 January 1st, 2017 05:28 PM
Vedic Sarasvati. Vajra Asian History 134 November 27th, 2014 08:36 AM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.