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Old February 6th, 2011, 06:40 AM   #31

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There are claims that Oda Nobunaga was baptised, but I don't personally think they are credible.
I never bought those claims, either. There is no evidence that Nobunaga even entertained the notion of being baptized. He was as atheist as they come.
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I never bought those claims, either. There is no evidence that Nobunaga even entertained the notion of being baptized. He was as atheist as they come.
There is a slight possibility that he may have converted for political reasons, but other than that it seems very unlikely.
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There is a slight possibility that he may have converted for political reasons, but other than that it seems very unlikely.
No, he didn't. He used the Jesuits for political reasons, true. However, if you read Frois' accounts, there is no doubt that he did NOT convert.
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No, he didn't. He used the Jesuits for political reasons, true. However, if you read Frois' accounts, there is no doubt that he did NOT convert.
I have not read Frois' account, would you happen to have a link, or perhaps a title/ISBN? I would like to have a look at it.
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I have not read Frois' account, would you happen to have a link, or perhaps a title/ISBN? I would like to have a look at it.
How's your Japanese?
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How's your Japanese?

I have a very capable friend who can translate it for me. There are really NO English translations available?

Also, I would assume his writings would be in Portuguese, not Japanese (?)
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I have a very capable friend who can translate it for me. There are really NO English translations available?
Not that I know of. There are several English works that cite it. Most notably being Japonius Tyrannus by Jeroen Lamers. He quotes Frois' work a lot as well as other missionaries.
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Not that I know of. There are several English works that cite it. Most notably being Japonius Tyrannus by Jeroen Lamers. He quotes Frois' work a lot as well as other missionaries.

is this the writing you are referring to?

Frois's History of Japan - SamuraiWiki
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Yep.

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This book contains a number of excerpts from his writings:
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