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Old August 9th, 2010, 03:29 PM   #11

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Interestingly though, they fought as one against Persians, when being invaded. They might have been divided in tribes, which united only when the need arose.



Since their language belonged to the Iranian branch, their culture originated in northern Iran, I think.
Since they did have a common language/culture, it seems reasonable that they would work together when a new invading force arrived.

I'm guessing they originated from the eastern and northern frontiers of the Persian empire. Which is why they speak the Persian/Iranian language. They probably did also have bits and pieces of Persian culture as well.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 01:43 PM   #14
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Sycthians are soghd-turkic-kimmeri-irani tribes,from n.e iran,turkmenistan, w.kazakhistan,n.caspian,caucas.
Sarmatians,irani origin alani-chechen\osetian\roxoalan\lezgy\tat from n.e iran,s\s.e.caucas
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Sarmatians aren't really Scythians, they do get lumped in together.



The Parni came from the Dahae and are also not really considered Scythian, but much like the Sarmatian shared a close relation.

Sarmats are Scyths. They were just distinguished because they were the most dominant Scythian tribe.

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I think the main problem is: what are Scythians? Cause the definition changed from time to time.
As far as I know, Scythian was just the generic word for East Iranian tribes.
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Scythians have been described as distinct from Sarmatians in some sources but often spoken of similarly.

The main differences seem to be related to area of domination with Sarmatians dominating the western plains even into Hungary until the Hunnic confederation pushed them out of history while Scythians were numerous tribes stretching to the Altai mountains in the east.

Supposedly the Scythians were the original horse archers and preferred that method of fighting while Sarmatians were given to armour and the heavy cavalry charge with lance.

The names of tribes are only what is recorded by outsiders through mostly Greek, some Persian and Chinese sources which are not all consistent within their own languages much less with each other.

Scythian burials predate the Persian Empire so saying Scythians were north of the Persian Empire borders is a bit misleading- there were Scythian tribes all over the steppe belt from Black Sea up to Altai mountains between Gobi desert and Lake Baikal.

Given that area is crossroads of several ethnicities and cultures Scythians might have begun as a single tribe at the dawn of horsemanship but for most of their influence on recorded history were probably many tribes of various ethnicities speaking a common trade language with some regional differences already developed by the time of Alexander.
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From Wikipedia, list of peoples and tribes called Scythians:

• Agathyrsi
• Amardi
• Amyrgians
• Androphagi
• Budini
• Dahae
- Parni (ancestors of the Parthians)
• Hamaxobii
• Indo-Scythians
• Apracharajas
• Kambojas
• Gelonians
• Massagetae
• Apasiacae
• Orthocorybantians
• Saka
• Sindi
• Spali
• Tauri
• Thyssagetae

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Scythians have been described as distinct from Sarmatians in some sources but often spoken of similarly.

The main differences seem to be related to area of domination with Sarmatians dominating the western plains even into Hungary until the Hunnic confederation pushed them out of history while Scythians were numerous tribes stretching to the Altai mountains in the east.

Supposedly the Scythians were the original horse archers and preferred that method of fighting while Sarmatians were given to armour and the heavy cavalry charge with lance.

The names of tribes are only what is recorded by outsiders through mostly Greek, some Persian and Chinese sources which are not all consistent within their own languages much less with each other.

Scythian burials predate the Persian Empire so saying Scythians were north of the Persian Empire borders is a bit misleading- there were Scythian tribes all over the steppe belt from Black Sea up to Altai mountains between Gobi desert and Lake Baikal.

Given that area is crossroads of several ethnicities and cultures Scythians might have begun as a single tribe at the dawn of horsemanship but for most of their influence on recorded history were probably many tribes of various ethnicities speaking a common trade language with some regional differences already developed by the time of Alexander.
I think the Sarmats would have been Scyths from an ethnolinguistic perspective but considered separate for political/cultural reasons. I have a hard time imagining that the language spoken by the Budini was genetically closer to the Dahae language than it was to Sarmatian. They were both East Iranians after all. The main difference between Sarmats and Scyths seems to be cultural and political (but mainly cultural), and culture is based on geography which leads to interacting with different peoples and adopting different customs.
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The way I understand it, from my previous readings, is that Sarmatian first formed from an offspring of Scythian, perhaps a hybrid of Scythian & Dacian, or Scythian & Thracian, or something like that.

And then later, the Sarmatians themselves grew bigger in number, and split further into Alan, Aorsi, Roxolani, Siraces and Iazyges. And they in fact became more powerful than their parent tribe the Scythians, and supplanted them.

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Sycthians are soghd-turkic-kimmeri-irani tribes,from n.e iran,turkmenistan, w.kazakhistan,n.caspian,caucas.
Sarmatians,irani origin alani-chechen\osetian\roxoalan\lezgy\tat from n.e iran,s\s.e.caucas
Scythians were purely Iranic in my opinion, however i do belive those who migrated ti Easter corner of empire miex with some turks as well.
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