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Old December 13th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #91

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Just listen to the language they speak in Hong Kong and Guangdong province, in Thailand the Cantonese tourists were SOOO loud and rude.
I listen to Cantonese every day and I enjoy it. Listening to you, however, is annoying.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #92

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japan sincere plea then show the sincerity actions. that is the key to solve all problems.

after the premise, all things can communicate, include the nanking number problem and shrine problem.
The problem with this is that it involves only giving on the part of Japan. There has to be give and take.
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that is one famous lie, trust me.

we had discussed the question in another thread before long time .

that is for language gap.

mao's original sentence means " may we should thank japan invasion for let chinese people united to fight". mao like to use the ironic tone, then his many sentences was distorted for language translation distort or hostility.

I checked his original sentences.
But, Fang, many Chinese people I see here heard Mao in Chinese and they hate him for what he said.
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Hong kong was a poor fishing village when britain took it. The vast majority of hong kongers are descendants of immigrants who moved there after britain and were from not respectable or high class backgrounds. And those people who moved to hong kong and became rich there did it while it was a colony. The city has no buildings dsting back before british rule or any traces of civilization.

If the hong kongers actually followed the mores of British social class, they are to be consdered nothing but descendants of peasants, manual laborers and some bourgieos from unreputable families from the mainland. In long established cities like Beijing, there is actual native culture.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you just putting the people here down because they come from simple backgrounds? Let's keep in mind that many people in USA come from simple backgrounds. I've often heard Australians speak very proudly of their simple backgrounds. Do you think others should not listen to them because of that?
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I listen to Cantonese every day and I enjoy it. Listening to you, however, is annoying.
I think it may have to do with the people who speak the language. Many overseas Cantonese were of earlier immigrants who work mostly menial works and tend to be louder and more racuous. But, by far, most Cantonese speakings I heard are not only elegant but also have a flair of dramatics. Watching Hong Kong drama and listening to Cantonese songs are such a treat.
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I think it may have to do with the people who speak the language. Many overseas Cantonese were of earlier immigrants who work mostly menial works and tend to be louder and more racuous. But, by far, most Cantonese speakings I heard are not only elegant but also have a flair of dramatics. Watching Hong Kong drama and listening to Cantonese songs are such a treat.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you just putting the people here down because they come from simple backgrounds? Let's keep in mind that many people in USA come from simple backgrounds. I've often heard Australians speak very proudly of their simple backgrounds. Do you think others should not listen to them because of that?
In well established cities in mainland china, there are people who have had well established backgrounds from aristocratic and intellectual families dating back hundreds or thousands of years. Suzhou and beijing were centers of culture. This is why if hong kong wants to play the game in who is more unrefined and low class, no matter how rich they are they still have to remember that according to British mores they are at the bottom in both China and Britain.

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In well established cities in mainland china, there are people who have had well established backgrounds from aristocratic and intellectual families dating back hundreds or thousands of years. Suzhou and beijing were centers of culture. This is why if hong kong wants to play the game in who is more unrefined and low class, no matter how rich they are they still have to remember that according to British mores they are at the bottom in both China and Britain.
To begin with, the tensions in Hong Kong have a lot to do with resources. It is normal for people who have built something to value it, making it hard to share. Now, I'm not supporting some of the attitudes here. I agree that insulting Mainlanders is the wrong way to go, but to turn around and insult Hong Kongers is not right either.

I'm not about to get into a bashing competition with you over who is more refined and who is the bottom of whatever. This is a social issue, which bashing contests will only worsen.

I respect people from Mainland China, especially some of the ones on this forum who have helped me learn. To say something about Mainlanders would be insulting them as well, and this is a sign of being unrefined.

What I will say is that I'm giving advice to the people in Hong Kong. I'm telling them that having the top students from the Mainland coming here should not be a threat because this can improve Hong Kong's standings in the world. Rather than being threatened by them, Hong Kongers should work with them to improve themseves. The same holds true for other people from the Mainland coming to Hong Kong.

There are different opinions here, and Hong Kongers are entitled to them. Deke, if you don't like their opinions, then please say so constructively. If you start to post comments such as:
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This is why if hong kong wants to play the game in who is more unrefined and low class, no matter how rich they are they still have to remember that according to British mores they are at the bottom in both China and Britain
This will come back to haunt you in the future. Sooner or later you're going to work or be friends with someone from Hong Kong, and this can end up ruining things for you.
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Do you know that Cantonese conserved much more of the ancient Chinese language than Mandarin? Many Tang poems need to be read in Cantonese/Fukieness to be appreciated in its meter and cadence.
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zoopiter, do you have ever heard about the "cry wall" in The nanjing massacre memorial hall?
You mean the 300,000 number? Yeah, I'm aware of it but I always heard the total number of victims are always debatable but what I would really like to know is on what basis all those estimation base on?
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