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Old December 13th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #101

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Do you know that Cantonese conserved much more of the ancient Chinese language than Mandarin? Many Tang poems need to be read in Cantonese/Fukieness to be appreciated in its meter and cadence.
Thanks for teaching me.
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Do you know that Cantonese conserved much more of the ancient Chinese language than Mandarin? Many Tang poems need to be read in Cantonese/Fukieness to be appreciated in its meter and cadence.
This is generally true but it is not always the case. Sometimes Cantonese deviates from Medieval Chinese pronunciations, which sounds more like modern Mandarin pronunciations. There are some poems that doesn't rhyme in Cantonese but rhymes in Mandarin.
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The problem with this is that it involves only giving on the part of Japan. There has to be give and take.
in eastern especially china and japan culture, if one person did very bad thing and he want to get forgive from the victims, the best way is to sincere plea, insult the victims will let the problem became more bad.

chinese as victims had never revenge japanese, they even feed the japanese orphans, they had gave a lot.

of course, you can say that only involve parts of japanese. but the massacre happend under one japan empire name, unless today japanese have not any relation with old japanese and don't use the ethinic group's name "japan", japanese have to face the history problem.

ps: do you heard one saying "there have not innocent people under atomic bomb "?
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But, Fang, many Chinese people I see here heard Mao in Chinese and they hate him for what he said.
yes, as one ironhanded politician, some people like him, some people hate him.
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in eastern especially china and japan culture, if one person did very bad thing and he want to get forgive from the victims, the best way is to sincere plea, insult the victims will let the problem became more bad.

chinese as victims had never revenge japanese, they even feed the japanese orphans, they had gave a lot.

of course, you can say that only involve parts of japanese. but the massacre happend under one japan empire name, unless today japanese have not any relation with old japanese and don't use the ethinic group's name "japan", japanese have to face the history problem.

ps: do you heard one saying "there have not innocent people under atomic bomb "?
There are different practices in all cultures. But, if a current practice is not working, then we need to make a change. It's like when there is a stalemate in war.

It's pretty nasty to say that there were no innocent victims of the atomic bomb, when children died.
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You mean the 300,000 number? Yeah, I'm aware of it but I always heard the total number of victims are always debatable but what I would really like to know is on what basis all those estimation base on?
no, I didn't mean the 300,000 number.

"cry wall" is one memorial wall that used to search the dead victims names in nanjing, just like the jews victims name list in auschwitz.

it is very hard work, it is civil war after ww2, then many chaos, most of victims name had disappeared forever, although the situation is bad, some brave people did the search working after many years, the main target is just for to attack back the japan distortion about nanjing massacre, and the work still continute now.

the wall only had searched very few victims names, the number be 1,0331 (record of 2011), every name is accurate, have alive family members to prove, can be sure the killed site and way and testimony of witness.

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300,000 is one estimate number, the real number may more.
the most common calculate basis is the bury numbers.

ps: in your quote links, chang chunru was denied, and was named as
ambitious, that is not fair to the lady, because she is only one writer, not one historian, her quote data have some bug, that is normal, it is obviously that many experts criticized to her as to historian.

nanjing's authoritative research work main is in nanjing massacre memorial hall, not chang chunru's book.
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There are different practices in all cultures. But, if a current practice is not working, then we need to make a change. It's like when there is a stalemate in war.

It's pretty nasty to say that there were no innocent victims of the atomic bomb, when children died.
Children, Catholic Nuns,Priests, Allied Prisoners of War and people from many different countries died. the Atomic Bombs were akin to 9/11 in their death tolls.
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no, I didn't mean the 300,000 number.

"cry wall" is one memorial wall that used to search the dead victims names in nanjing, just like the jews victims name list in auschwitz.

it is very hard work, it is civil war after ww2, then many chaos, most of victims name had disappeared forever, although the situation is bad, some brave people did the search working after many years, the main target is just for to attack back the japan distortion about nanjing massacre, and the work still continute now.

the wall only had searched very few victims names, the number be 1,0331 (record of 2011), every name is accurate, have alive family members to prove, can be sure the killed site and way and testimony of witness.

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300,000 is one estimate number, the real number may more.
the most common calculate basis is the bury numbers.

ps: in your quote links, chang chunru was denied, and was named as
ambitious, that is not fair to the lady, because she is only one writer, not one historian, her quote data have some bug, that is normal, it is obviously that many experts criticized to her as to historian.

nanjing's authoritative research work main is in nanjing massacre memorial hall, not chang chunru's book.
Her name is Iris Chang and would you care to tell us what historians have disputed her work.
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no, I didn't mean the 300,000 number.

"cry wall" is one memorial wall that used to search the dead victims names in nanjing, just like the jews victims name list in auschwitz.

it is very hard work, it is civil war after ww2, then many chaos, most of victims name had disappeared forever, although the situation is bad, some brave people did the search working after many years, the main target is just for to attack back the japan distortion about nanjing massacre, and the work still continute now.

the wall only had searched very few victims names, the number be 1,0331 (record of 2011), every name is accurate, have alive family members to prove, can be sure the killed site and way and testimony of witness.

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300,000 is one estimate number, the real number may more.
the most common calculate basis is the bury numbers.

ps: in your quote links, chang chunru was denied, and was named as
ambitious, that is not fair to the lady, because she is only one writer, not one historian, her quote data have some bug, that is normal, it is obviously that many experts criticized to her as to historian.

nanjing's authoritative research work main is in nanjing massacre memorial hall, not chang chunru's book.
could you tell us how victims were more than 3,00,000?

this is what creates acrimony as one group of people think that list of victims is constantly increased by chinese authorities.
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Are the 300,000 estimates base on the number of victims name or something else?
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