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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #131
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yes, you got it.

but that need sincere plea and apology then show the sincere actions, just like tell japanese the history and move the war criminal away from Yasukuni Shrine, etc.

that is the key .
though it is sad to tell this but Japanese will never do such a thing.

in all asian ( not just east asian ) cultures, people do not blame them who are considered heroes of their country and if in last 67 years , nipponese have not shown " sincere plea " , I do not see any chance of their doing it now.

i am a born pessimist and logical culmination of all this is that china japan tensions will remain forever.

am i right as i think that no apology means no improvement in japan china tensions.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:20 AM   #132

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I have a question for you, Fang. Is it not better to just move on?

You say you want to be sunny and bright. Is holding on to the problems of the past the way to do that?
that is not for me, jake.

that is for those victims and their family who can't get fair after so long time, sometimes even have to accept the slander from those persons who deny nanjing massacre.

may you can ask why some japanese deny the nanjing massacre again and again.

thank japanese right wing , they stimulated china again and again, they let us to hoding on the thing so long time.

(you will not think I am thanking really to japanese right wing, right? )

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that is not for me, jake.

that is for those victims and their family who can't get fair after so long time, sometimes even have to accept the slander from those persons who deny nanjing massacre.

may you can ask why some japanese deny the nanjing massacre again and again.

thank japanese right wing , they stimulated china again and again, they let use to hoding on the thing so long time.

(you will not think I am thanking really to japanese right wing, right? )
And, what will happen if Japan never gives in the way you want?
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that is not for me, jake.

that is for those victims and their family who can't get fair after so long time, sometimes even have to accept the slander from those persons who deny nanjing massacre.

may you can ask why some japanese deny the nanjing massacre again and again.

thank japanese right wing , they stimulated china again and again, they let use to hoding on the thing so long time.

(you will not think I am thanking really to japanese right wing, right? )
who are these japanese right wing ?
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And, what will happen if Japan never gives in the way you want?
as we say in indian languages, till the sun shines and ganges flow, the tensions will not subside.
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as we say in indian languages, till the sun shines and ganges flow, the tensions will not subside.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make. It's a stalemate.
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though it is sad to tell this but Japanese will never do such a thing.

in all asian ( not just east asian ) cultures, people do not blame them who are considered heroes of their country and if in last 67 years , nipponese have not shown " sincere plea " , I do not see any chance of their doing it now.

i am a born pessimist and logical culmination of all this is that china japan tensions will remain forever.

am i right as i think that no apology means no improvement in japan china tensions.
in fact, I agree with you opinion in here. it is very hard work.

some brave japanese had tried to do some work, but the amount is few, they can't do many thing if the japanese government refuse to accept history.


don't you think it is just problem to consider war criminals as ethinic group heroes?


that is just the reason why we worry and hoding on the nanjing massacre, because we don't know if one ethinic group that view war criminals as hero will do same thing again or not.
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in fact, I agree with you opinion in here. it is very hard work.

some brave japanese had tried to do some work, but the amount is few, they can't do many thing if the japanese government refuse to accept history.


don't you think it is just problem to consider war criminals as ethinic group heroes?


that is just the reason why we worry and hoding on the nanjing massacre, because we don't know if one ethinic group that view war criminals as hero will do same thing again or not.


there are only two things that i agree with most of chinese when they support their government.

1. this japan matter as it is disgusting that war criminals of highest orders are still honoured in any country.

2. ban on porn websites. ( this is off topic and please do not bait me on this )
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And, what will happen if Japan never gives in the way you want?
what can we do?

what chinese can do, only holding on the thing to let the offspring to remember the tragedy.
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who are these japanese right wing ?
these guys.

いしはら しんたろう

and future prime minister of japan, Shinzo Abe, etc.
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