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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #161

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@fangqingming - In your post #159 you said: of course, every country will have different people who have different opinion, but if one country have a lot of people to deny one recognized facts. that means the country is sick.

Do you really wish to say that seeing as how your own country has denied its own history since 1949?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 05:02 PM   #162
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@fangqingming - In your post #159 you said: of course, every country will have different people who have different opinion, but if one country have a lot of people to deny one recognized facts. that means the country is sick.

Do you really wish to say that seeing as how your own country has denied its own history since 1949?
I get it, america can decide that Iran should not have nuclear weapons since they consider them a strategic threat but when Japanese right wing politicians like Ishihara want nukes and to euthanize old women its okay.

We still have americans spreading around the forged volume 4 of tahrirolvasyleh, which claims that Khomeini said having sex with animals and children was okay. We hear americans complain about the salman rushdie fatwa when america has assasinated and killed far more people than Iran did. We hear americans complaining about statements ahmadenijad never said about wiping israel off the map.

But when japanese mainstream politicians want to get nukes, kill post menopausal women, and deny war crimes, it doesn't matter.

Americans don't hide their history of invading and killing other peoples because they view it positively, its history as a frontier nation is still celebrated. I'm still waiting for your complaints about how many people the British empire killed around the world.

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I get it, america can decide that Iran should not have nuclear weapons since they consider them a strategic threat but when Japanese right wing politicians like Ishihara want nukes and to euthanize old women its okay.

We still have americans spreading around the forged volume 4 of tahrirolvasyleh, which claims that Khomeini said having sex with animals and children was okay. We hear americans complain about the salman rushdie fatwa when america has assasinated and killed far more people than Iran did. We hear americans complaining about statements ahmadenijad never said about wiping israel off the map.

But when japanese mainstream politicians want to get nukes, kill post menopausal women, and deny war crimes, it doesn't matter.
I meant nothing of the sort and I think you know that. I do not see how you can associate what I said with anything that you posted.

China hides their history from their own people but they chastise other countries for doing the very same thing.

If they do mention the history they gloss over it just as Japan does about WWII.
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I meant nothing of the sort and I think you know that. I do not see how you can associate what I said with anything that you posted.

China hides their history from their own people but they chastise other countries for doing the very same thing.

If they do mention the history they gloss over it just as Japan does about WWII.
Japan claimed their emperor is descended from the sun goddess Amaterasu through the first emperor of Japan, jimmu tenno whose alleged reign dates from 660 BC. No archeological evidence has been found for his existence nor that of many subsequent emperors. The yayoi and jomon cultures on japan were clearly two different peoples and japanese DNA is clearly not homogeneous.

Only when it comes to china do you criticize chinese accounts of history.
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Japan claimed their emperor is descended from the sun goddess Amaterasu through the first emperor of Japan, jimmu tenno whose alleged reign dates from 660 BC. No archeological evidence has been found for his existence nor that of many subsequent emperors. The yayoi and jomon cultures on japan were clearly two different peoples and japanese DNA is clearly not homogeneous.

Only when it comes to china do you criticize chinese accounts of history.
Japan is a democracy. The Chinese government is an entity that is bent on controlling the people. Japan may not teach their history but any enterprising person has the freedom and the resources to find the truth. In China, to find most of the truth, you must leave the country. In China, if you speak the truth too loudly there may be repercussions.

It is apples and oranges. The truth is available to Japanese people. The truth is either unavailable or discouraged for Chinese people.
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Japan is a democracy. The Chinese government is an entity that is bent on controlling the people. Japan may not teach their history but any enterprising person has the freedom and the resources to find the truth. In China, to find most of the truth, you must leave the country. In China, if you speak the truth too loudly there may be repercussions.

It is apples and oranges. The truth is available to Japanese people. The truth is either unavailable or discouraged for Chinese people.
The truth about america's actions is also available to americans, but many are either ignorant, avoid it deliberately or even celebrate american aggresion against other people. The only thing democracy does is indicate that people approve of what their government is doing. We have members of the house of representatives insulting minorities or advocating spreading unrest in other countries or bombing them.
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The truth about america's actions is also available to americans, but many are either ignorant, avoid it deliberately or even celebrate american aggresion against other people. The only thing democracy does is indicate that people approve of what their government is doing. We have members of the house of representatives insulting minorities or advocating spreading unrest in other countries or bombing them.
We are not discussing The United States of America in this thread.
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Well, many countries have different opinions about many aspects of international politics. There are historical things that China disagrees with the rest of the world about as well, but we don't say that China is "sick". Obviously China has its own view of certain things, and Japan has a different view.
that problem is not international politics, that is about human being's basic moral, conscience.

just like kill millitary soldiers in one battle is different with play kill game to common people.

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@fangqingming - In your post #159 you said: of course, every country will have different people who have different opinion, but if one country have a lot of people to deny one recognized facts. that means the country is sick.

Do you really wish to say that seeing as how your own country has denied its own history since 1949?
1. deny fact ≠ have different view
2. you are alarmism or spread some fuzzy information, because china doesn't deny own history since 1949.
3. most chinese, especially if he(she) have interesting to history, don't deny the history.
4. yes, in one specific period of time, there have some exaggerated condition, but people tried to ended the time, after that, chinese common think that time is sick time.
5. that is not your excuse to say japan have right to deny fact. one thing is one thing.
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1. deny fact ≠ have different view
2. you are alarmism or spread some fuzzy information, because china doesn't deny own history since 1949.
3. most chinese, especially if he(she) have interesting to history, don't deny the history.
4. yes, in one specific period of time, there have some exaggerated condition, but people tried to ended the time, after that, chinese common think that time is sick time.
5. that is not your excuse to say japan have right to deny fact. one thing is one thing.
I'm saying that China does the very thing they are criticizing Japan for doing. China does deny its history since 1949 and the party glosses over the history from 1911 forward.

I would never trust a history book that was written with the approval of the Chinese government.
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