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Old December 13th, 2012, 02:59 AM   #61

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Thanks for the compliment, although I also see the dark side of humans. The dark side grows when communications don't take place. People see others and think they know what they're doing and why, but without communicating we cannot know.

Well, the attitudes of politicians all over the world is a problem, but let me ask you this. What is a constructive solution to all this? How can all sides come to terms with it? This is what I mean about communicating, but first I'd like to hear what you think.
japan sincere plea then show the sincerity actions. that is the key to solve all problems.

after the premise, all things can communicate, include the nanking number problem and shrine problem.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 03:24 AM   #62

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I do not believe that there is anything Japan could do that would satisfy the communist government of China. Japan is too important a card they can play when they need to insure that their power in China is secured and kept strong.

China frequently tells other nations that what happens inside of China is none of any other country's business. They should listen to their own edict and leave Japan alone about the Shrine. It is not any business of China.
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I do not believe that there is anything Japan could do that would satisfy the communist government of China. Japan is too important a card they can play when they need to insure that their power in China is secured and kept strong.

China frequently tells other nations that what happens inside of China is none of any other country's business. They should listen to their own edict and leave Japan alone about the Shrine. It is not any business of China.
This is perhaps the first time i disagree completely with you.

while China needs to follow its own edict, i think shrine is very different case.

from what i understand, those who killed innocent chinese are honoured there though indirectly.

this does make the matter a pertinent one for chinese emotions so they do have a right to react to this .

asking them not to react is a bit wrong but it is also fact that Mao thanked Japanese for all this.
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This is perhaps the first time i disagree completely with you.

while China needs to follow its own edict, i think shrine is very different case.

from what i understand, those who killed innocent chinese are honoured there though indirectly.

this does make the matter a pertinent one for chinese emotions so they do have a right to react to this .

asking them not to react is a bit wrong but it is also fact that Mao thanked Japanese for all this.
mao did thank the Japanese for all the horror they brought to China and that is precisely why China has no right to object to what Japan does within their own country.
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mao did thank the Japanese for all the horror they brought to China and that is precisely why China has no right to object to what Japan does within their own country.
I had said same to Fangqingming and in reply she asked if common people have right to object to all that or not.

I do not see anything wrong in all this as I hold grudge against pak war criminals though Indira Gandhi had acquitted the pakistani war criminals.
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I had said same to Fangqingming and in reply she asked if common people have right to object to all that or not.

I do not see anything wrong in all this as I hold grudge against pak war criminals though Indira Gandhi had acquitted the pakistani war criminals.
The average person has every right to feel sadness because of the events that befell China in 1937. I still remember Pearl Harbor and I was not alive to experience it.

What is wrong here is that the Chinese government uses it as a way to keep control of the citizenry and promote themselves. Nanjing will never be forgotten but the government needs to take it out of their toolbox. The only thing it can be used for is to make certain that turmoil continues to exist in Asia.
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The average person has every right to feel sadness because of the events that befell China in 1937. I still remember Pearl Harbor and I was not alive to experience it.

What is wrong here is that the Chinese government uses it as a way to keep control of the citizenry and promote themselves. Nanjing will never be forgotten but the government needs to take it out of their toolbox. The only thing it can be used for is to make certain that turmoil continues to exist in Asia.
here i agree and like you i am not a citizen of china nor have ever lived there but i do think communist government is not actuated by human sadness but their own interests.

well, in that case , they do not have any right to shout about the shrine.
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mao did thank the Japanese for all the horror they brought to China and that is precisely why China has no right to object to what Japan does within their own country.
I remember that I had retorted you before long time.

mao thanks japanese , that is one famous lie.

but you still repeat it again and again.
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I remember that I had retorted you before long time.

mao thanks japanese , that is one famous lie.

but you still repeat it again and again.
It is not a lie. It is documented in many places.

Mao thanked Japan for invasion
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I remember that I had retorted you before long time.

mao thanks japanese , that is one famous lie.

but you still repeat it again and again.
this is not famous lie and do not get me wrong, I sympathize with you when you say that common chinese have right to object.

My beloved friend Deke gave me atleast three separate links where I read Mao was thanking Japanese for invasion.

he did not thank them for Nanking but for invasions and that includes Nanking.

if Deke is here, you may ask him .
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