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Old November 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #41

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The only dispute south korea has with china is over one half of a single mointain, Baekdu. South korea is not going to fight a war with china over one half of a mountain and a caldera lake.

Oh really, one of the funniest things that I often encounter is someone slamming Korea over cultural thievery while holding in their hand either an LG or Samsung cell phone, but for a more concrete dispute how about this one?

China, South Korea in Row Over Submerged Rock

Yet another maritime dispute between China and one of its neighbours has flared up in the last few days – this time over a submerged rock in a part of the ocean claimed by both Beijing and the South Korean government.

The spat over what South Korea calls the Ieodo Reef and China refers to as the Suyan Reef reignited after China’s State Oceanic Administration chief declared last week that it was part of China’s ”jurisdictional waters” and covered by its maritime patrols.
China, South Korea in Row Over Submerged Rock - China Real Time Report - WSJ
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Old November 18th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #42
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Oh really, one of the funniest things that I often encounter is someone slamming Korea over cultural thievery while holding in their hand either an LG or Samsung cell phone, but for a more concrete dispute how about this one?

China, South Korea in Row Over Submerged Rock

Yet another maritime dispute between China and one of its neighbours has flared up in the last few days – this time over a submerged rock in a part of the ocean claimed by both Beijing and the South Korean government.

The spat over what South Korea calls the Ieodo Reef and China refers to as the Suyan Reef reignited after China’s State Oceanic Administration chief declared last week that it was part of China’s ”jurisdictional waters” and covered by its maritime patrols.
China, South Korea in Row Over Submerged Rock - China Real Time Report - WSJ
And did the person holding the LG phone claim that they made the phone? Unlike the koreans who wrote the hwandan gogi and claimed that sumeria and every single civilization had korean origins?

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Addressing a regular news briefing Monday, China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin agreed that the rock was not technically the object of a territorial dispute, but said jurisdiction over it had to be decided through negotiation between Seoul and Beijing.
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秦刚表示,苏岩礁是位于东海北部的水下暗礁,中国与韩国在此不存在领土争端

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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:39 PM   #43

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If that were true, then the Japanese would look Chinese and speak Chinese but they don't. Thus I don't believe the theory.
Current Chinese, namely Mandarin, is very different from the Chinese languages (which were not unified) from 2000+ years ago. In fact, it's a very recent language. And some Chinese do look Japanese, and vice versa.

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I don't believe the Japanese deny war attrocities.

What they say is attrocities is a normal part of war so there was nothing untoward about what they did and nothing to apologise for.

And when you think this is coming from a country that was nuked twice by a country whose general population believe the nuking to be a good thing. And the country that wants an apology (China) did a level of attrocities to its own people in the last to centuries that makes what the Japanese did seem insignificant, you can at least see the Japanese position even if you don't sympathise with it.

As for the Japanese Korean thing. No-one alive in Korea today was ever a victim of the Japanese. No-one alive in Japan today ever victimised a Korean. These crimes were done by people who are now dead to people who are now dead.

The present day living Japanese have nothing to answer for and any present day Korean or Chinese that has a problem with this really needs to get a life.
This is like saying the current Germans have nothing to apologize for Germany's atrocities in WWII, and none of the Neo-Nazis were alive during that time and have acted perfectly all right.

Of course, some random Japanese on the street can not be held responsible for Japan's atrocities. But Japan, as a nation, is totally responsible. The current Japan lent sizable money to other countries; should those borrowing countries stop paying back once this generation of Japanese all die out? Since the next generation's Japanese had nothing to do with the loans being given out?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #45

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I think the Koreans and the Japanese should come together to prevent the Chinese from bullying them. I hope you are aware about the recent Island dispute between the Japanese and the Chinese. If North Korea joins this alliance it would be much stronger.

I agree that the Japanese did a lot of bad things to their neighbours in the recent past but look who is the oppressor now?
recent island dispute obviously is that usa are making extrusion with japan tool to china.

btw, wow, so old thread, the time even is 2007~~~
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Korean's hatred of Japan.

Koreans have a historical beef with Japan that goes back over 500 years. It began in the 1500's whereby Japanese pirates would regularly raid the Korea's coasts(like vikings).
Then in 1592, the Japanese launched a full scale invasion of Korea in order to conquer the Ming Empire in China.(this was the Imjin Wars) The war ended in 1598 and completely destroyed the country, setting them back economically for several decades. At the end of the war, the Japanese stole many cultural artifacts and treasures that to this very day, they have yet to return. They also took many korean craftsmen as slaves back to Japan which helped the Japanese economically and hurt the Koreans.
In the late 19th century, Korea became the target of Japanese Imperialism. The Japanese began investing in Korea economically and started taking control of Korea's economy and government, eventually killing Korea's Queen. In 1894-1895 the Japanese fought the Qing Empire for dominance in Korea. The Japanese won. Then in 1904-1905 the Japanese fought the Russians for control of Korea. So Korea has been the battle ground for Japan for many years. In 1910 the Japanese formally annexed Korea. The Japanese attempted to erase the Korean language by teaching the Japanese language in all schools. All School Principals were Japanese. Many old Korean people today still speak Japanese because of this. Korea was economically exploited for the benefit of Japan from the late 19th century until 1945. Many Korean laborers were taken over to the Japanese home islands during WWII to work in factories. Many Korean soldiers were pressed into the Imperial Army to fight Japan's wars. Many of the famed Kamakazi Pilots were in fact, Koreans who were forced to crash into American ships.
And worst of all were the Korean sex slaves. Thousands of women who were forced into being sex slaves to service the Japanese soldiers on the front lines. These women would often be raped all day long and all night by Japanese soldiers and when they were no longer of use, they got a bullet to the head. At the end of the war most of them were murdered so that nobody would find out. Absolutely disgusting! To this day the Japanese government has not apologized about much of anything. There have been no reperations for the sex slaves. They don't even acknowledge that it happened.

And then there is the dispute between Japan and Korea about the tiny group of islands in the Sea of Japan that are occupied by Korea but claimed by Japan.
And there is also the whole dispute about the name of the Sea of Japan. The Koreans mantain that the Sea of Japan is actually called the Eastern Sea but the Japanese mantain that it is the Sea of Japan.

So that is why the Koreans hate the Japanese.
Do the Japanese historians try to justify the Japanese colonialism from any real or purported material or cultural contributions to the Korean welfare?
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Serious thread necromancy going on here.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:23 AM   #48
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The only dispute south korea has with china is over one half of a single mointain, Baekdu. South korea is not going to fight a war with china over one half of a mountain and a caldera lake.
I guess South Korea has no real chance of winning a war against China in the modern times. It is in the interest of South Korea to see that forces opposing China remain strong in North East Asia.

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recent island dispute obviously is that usa are making extrusion with japan tool to china.

btw, wow, so old thread, the time even is 2007~~~
I understand that the US military presence complicates the issue in Asia. I am not a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, or American. However, geopolitics interests me and as such I am trying to view the issue from different angles. Peace

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Serious thread necromancy going on here.
History my friend can be boring at times. Korea's beef with Japan is an alive issue and as such I see no harm in discussing the topic.
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