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Old May 23rd, 2011, 04:42 AM   #21

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@ timdog,

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Old November 1st, 2012, 01:49 PM   #22
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i also heard, actually, the branch of islam which came to indonesia was shiite. the 'proof' can be seen on acehnese dance, tari saman.. is that any written proof?
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Old November 1st, 2012, 05:47 PM   #23

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I once took a college course on Asian geography. One assignment had us choosing a topic and displaying numbers on a graph that could be represented on a map. I chose the prevalence of Islam throughout the world. I found the Asian countries with the most Muslims and plotted everything as I described. I used different colors to designate the data--yellow (least Muslims) to dark red (most Muslims). The colors got darker and darker the further east you moved, with it ultimately terminating in Indonesia as dark red. What was interesting is that, having read about the spread of Islam there via merchants, you could see the spread of the religion before your eyes on the map. It was easy to make out how the merchants hopped from one country to next as they disseminated bits of their religion in each port of call.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #24

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Local kings had immense influence on people. For example, Today all Maldivians are Muslim. They converted to Islam with their king. Compared to other areas of South Asia, the conversion of the Maldives to Islam happened relatively late after the conversion of their King from Buddhism. Indonesia is a similar island nation! I don't know about Indonesian rulers. But they must have had similar role. People of my country Bangladesh were also converted by preachers/saints who came with traders.

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Old November 10th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Afrasiyab View Post
It's weird that most of them belong to Shafi school of Islam, which Muslim Kurds follow generally.
It is not weird. Islam in indonesia today was brought there by arabs from the hadhramaut who are shafi. There are still indonesians and malaysians of hadhramaut arab descent, the pontianak sultanate was founded by one.

However some claim that the first islam in indonesia was hanafi and brought by chinese speaking muslims, the same claim was made for the sulu sultanate as well.

Some people claim that the wali songo were chinese.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wali_Sanga]Wali Sanga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #26

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Trading contacts are key here. From ports in India, ships with Sufis on board went to Indonesia. Sufis were vital in spreading the religion after Shrivijaya's (Buddhist trading empire) collapse.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #27

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So it was a whole mix of trade,war and diplomacy. I wonder why the Indonesians had readily accepted(most people don't accept things just like that), but as you've stated the similarities between them worshipping one God and etc.. should convince them then..
And how do you mean Islam in Indonesia is different than the rest of the World?

Also, why didn't Indonesia become Christian-ish if there had been more European and Christian traders during the Age of Discovery and the sort.. ?

Because Islam tends to last better? Historically, it looks like once a place became Muslim, short of ethnic cleansing, it was going to stay that way. Even other monotheistic religions like Zoroastianism and Christianity got the boot.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #28

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Originally Posted by plutoboyz View Post
FINALLY! another thread about Indonesia that wasn't made by me .

that was a letter from King of Jambi, Srindrawarman to Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz of Umayyad caliphate. The Umayyad sent a ulama and teach the King about Islam. the King converted and the Kingdom too. that makes Dharmasraya the first Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia.

there is also a story about Majapahit King who married a princess from Islamic Champa called Darawati, IIRC. eventually the princess convert the Majapahit King. I forgot the details, I'll explain this later.
That was new information for me....Thank you...
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