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Old June 15th, 2011, 07:56 PM   #1
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Neolithic China, the China you do not know about.


As recent archaeological research into more ancient history of China finds, Chinese culture is not just chinese food and Confucius and Beijing opera During the times of ancient Egypts early and middle dynasty era, Chinese people worshiped the same deities with those of contemprary egyptians: the serpent, phoenix, sun gods.

The earliest evidence of chinese religion comes from Jiahu Culture(7000-6000BC), a turtle shell bears a mark of an Eye. Turtle shell is know to have been sacred for chinese early cultures as the bearer of oracles, and the turtle is reptile like snake, the turtle shell can also be an evidence of earliest sign of serpent worship. And the mark of an Eye is also significant, Eye symbol was worshiped in ancient Egypt as all seeing eyes of Horus the god of heaven, and the eyes of Ra, the god of creation. A 8000 years old turtle shell bearing a mark of an Eye is obviously an religious artefact, in history of the snake cult, the artefact from Jiahu site is very significant.

Picture of Jiahu turtle shell with an Eye symbol(6800BC)

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The jade dragons of China: all the jade dragons of China are remarkable with their crests, the crested dragon also have been discovered in Olmec civilization. The earliest crested jade dragon dates from 5000BC, discovered in inner Mongolia.

Crested jade dragon(3500BC):

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The Viracocha of China: Liangzhu Culture(3300-2200BC) produced the finest jade artefacts of chinese history, their central deity look almost identical to the Viracocha of Incas. There are 2 forms of his icon, one is him bearing a crown of rays(sun)sitting on a beast, 2 hands stretching the eyelids of the beasts; the other is holding 2 crested serpents, sitting in a pool of whirling water. The icons from Liangzhu culture would finally put the ariocentrists claims that there were white gods to the amerindians. Since non of other culture produce better similiar predecessor of amerindians gods. And the possibility of connetion between amerindian civilization and more ancient chinese culture can be seriously considered.

Liangzhu Sun/serpent god(3000BC):

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The serpent holding Liangzhu Sun god(3000BC):

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Compare to Viracocha of teh Incas:

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Dawenkou Sun worship, phoenix worship, turtle worshipawenkou Culture(4400-3500BC): This is one of the most important chinese neolithic culture, for it provided the first evidence of chinese I chings predecessor. Also it is a remarkable site of Sun worship, phoenix worship. The artefacts unearthed are reminiscent of the later sun bearing eagles from ancient Egypt, Babylon. But the chinese ones are much older.

Dawenkou Sun bird(3500BC)

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The Hemudu swastika eagle, and Sun bird(5200BC-4000BC):

Hemudu culture is one of the oldest chinese neolithic culture to yield evidence of early sun cult, two most remarkable artefacts are an ivory plate with symbol of 2 birds holding the Sun. And the other is a swastika in a ceramic bowl in form of birds beaks as the hooks. They are at least 6500 years old, 3000 years before sumerian and Egyptian Sun gods!! But this is still not the oldest swastika found in China, the oldest one is from Pengtoushan Culture(9000--8000BC), nearly 10000 years old found in a ceramic bowl. But this one can not be viewed on internet.

Hemudu Sun bird and swastika(4800BC)

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Bird swastika:

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There are still MORE to be rediscovered, so far we have known from these evidences, China can be considered as a homeland of Sun, serpent, phoenix worship.
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Welcome to "Chinese are Ancient Egyptian's Descendants" Part 2. Can a mod please move this to speculative history? The notion that the Olmecs, Mayans, and Incans are Chinese are mere theories at best.
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Welcome to "Chinese are Ancient Egyptian's Descendants" Part 2. Can a mod please move this to speculative history? The notion that the Olmecs, Mayans, and Incans are Chinese are mere theories at best.
See the evidence here, I am not talking with air.
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See the evidence here, I am not talking with air.
Correlation does not imply causation. Basic statistics. A few pictures showing similarities doesn't meant they're actually related. We are still talking about a theory, so this is speculative history.
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Crested serpent from the Olmecs, closely resemble the crested jade dragon from China:

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As much as I would like to believe the Native Americans are descended from the Chinese, we really have no solid evidence backing it up. This is one of those mysteries that might take a long time to be solved.
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Correlation does not imply causation. Basic statistics. A few pictures showing similarities doesn't meant they're actually related. We are still talking about a theory, so this is speculative history.
This is actual chinese history supported by evidences, putting it in comparison to ancient Egypt and Mesoamerica. I am not saying otherwise. This is a part of China you did not know about you should be exicted than otherwise. In the speculative history section would arouse more controversy than here. I will continue to post materials in this thread.
This stuff is not what I usually talk about. It will change the world, whoever see these are in the forefront of history.
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This is actual chinese history supported by evidences, putting it in comparison to ancient Egypt and Mesoamerica. I am not saying otherwise. This is a part of China you did not know about you should be exicted than otherwise. In the speculative history section would arouse more controversy than here. I will continue to post materials in this thread.
This stuff is not what I usually talk about. It will change the world, whoever see these are in the forefront of history.
What evidences? Other than the pictures showing some correlation?
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The Ogdoad system of anient Egypt and Chinese ethnic worships:

Ogdoad pantheon is the oldest ancient Egyptian all serpent pantheon, Ra is said to be born from this system. This system is therefore extremely important to the whole Egyptian religion. In this system, the frogs represent the male manifest of the creation, and snakes as the female manifest. Therefore the coupling of frog and snake created the Ra and all later deities. It is also considered as the root of central western occultism, the Hermeticism.

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/ogdoad.html

In China today, some ethnics also worship the coupling of frog and serpent as creational deity:

Frog/snake god Shu from Gushu(古蜀) kingdom Yunnan province(500BC)

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Do you have names for the Chinese gods?
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