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Old September 8th, 2012, 06:52 AM   #381

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Koreans also use the Sino-Korean numbers purakjelia. How to Count to 10 in Korean - wikiHow

Having said that - determining relationship between languages goes beyond how the numbers are pronounced. I think this is an interesting topic and would request Afrasiyab to start a new thread.
This is taking forever - I am using a book that has 1560 pages to defend the theory; I'd rather take questions and answer them one by one. And as I am not going to be paid for such a massive research (from going through the entire phonology of the languages AGAIN to lexical borrowings at different eras), I can't dedicate myself to it. Cheers.
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This is taking forever - I am using a book that has 1560 pages to defend the theory; I'd rather take questions and answer them one by one. And as I am not going to be paid for such a massive research (from going through the entire phonology of the languages AGAIN to lexical borrowings at different eras), I can't dedicate myself to it. Cheers.
I understand that it is a tough job Afrasiyab. Please give me a few minutes and I'll start a new thread.

Started a new thread ---> http://www.historum.com/asian-histor...languages.html Maybe we can begin with you posting a few points validating Korean and Japanese as Altaic.

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Old December 4th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #383

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the furthest pan-turkism can go is between azerbaijan & turkey and that's about it (which still is a herculean task). in the rest of the central asian turkic states corruption runs amok and they have huge economical differences between classes. these aside, in some countries they don't really like turks from turkey (e.g. kazakhstan).
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #384

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Like the man said, blood is thicker than water. I have met Japanese and Korean friends, scientists and engineers among them, who are quite receptive to this idea of pan-Altaism. Why not? Perhaps it does have some merit to it. The pro-pan-Altaics should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

I can still remember this post I saw in a Mongolian sub-forum of an Asian forum many years ago. "There was no Hun before the Hunnic Empire, no Turk before the Gokturk Empire, no Mongol before the Mongol Empire. We are all Altaic people!"

I thought it was cool. If some guys want an excuse to get together, in the process discovering some interesting things from the past, why should other guys care?

Just my tuppence.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #385
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And people still say we oppress kurds.

Hear,azato.Turkish people may be least Turkic in DNA but we are most proud of our Turkic idendity among other Turks.We are trying to awake our brothers against assimilation.However some of them already sold thier soul to Russian.
Galataturk, your fantasy nationalist revisionism of turkic history does not match reality. You paint turkic peoples as united against foreigners. The Gokturk khaganate was destroyed by the uyghur khaganate who were allied to .twng dynasty china. (the yugur people of gansu province in china are descendants of the uyghur khaganate, the modern uyghurs of xinjiang are not).

The kirghiz khaganate then helped Tang china destroy the uyghur khaganate. The kirghiz khans even claimed a blood relationship with the imperial family of the tang dynasty. They claimed descent from Li Ling, who was a grandson of li guang, from whom the tang emperors claimed descent. There was no such thing as pan turkism or turkic solidarity.
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The Turkey herself even have Kurds problem.

If pan-turkim can became true, the kurds can became pan-kurds too.

That is the war bettween the ethinic group and the country regime about the controll of one country.

but, more look like utopia.
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Galataturk, your fantasy nationalist revisionism of turkic history does not match reality. You paint turkic peoples as united against foreigners. The Gokturk khaganate was destroyed by the uyghur khaganate who were allied to .twng dynasty china. (the yugur people of gansu province in china are descendants of the uyghur khaganate, the modern uyghurs of xinjiang are not).

The kirghiz khaganate then helped Tang china destroy the uyghur khaganate. The kirghiz khans even claimed a blood relationship with the imperial family of the tang dynasty. They claimed descent from Li Ling, who was a grandson of li guang, from whom the tang emperors claimed descent. There was no such thing as pan turkism or turkic solidarity.
this has existed in all ages and all races.

the qings were not defeated solely by european superiority but also because of many chinese siding against the qings and in active collaboration with foreign army.

there were many chinese armymen who killed boxer rebels and many han soldiers killed hans under orders of manchus.

all this can not make us think that there was no chinese or han identity.


the examples you pointed out were only showing that sometimes politics is more important than kith and kin .

after all art of opportunism is another name of politics.
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The Turkey herself even have Kurds problem.

If pan-turkim can became true, the kurds can became pan-kurds too.

That is the war bettween the ethinic group and the country regime about the controll of one country.

but, more look like utopia.
kurds in reality have and will have no chance of any freedom but for stupidity of RT Erdogan whose Syrian adventure has strengthened the kurds only.

the chances of pan turkic nation are not that thin but it is central asian states who have balls in their courts.
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Like the man said, blood is thicker than water. I have met Japanese and Korean friends, scientists and engineers among them, who are quite receptive to this idea of pan-Altaism. Why not? Perhaps it does have some merit to it. The pro-pan-Altaics should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

I can still remember this post I saw in a Mongolian sub-forum of an Asian forum many years ago. "There was no Hun before the Hunnic Empire, no Turk before the Gokturk Empire, no Mongol before the Mongol Empire. We are all Altaic people!"

I thought it was cool. If some guys want an excuse to get together, in the process discovering some interesting things from the past, why should other guys care?

Just my tuppence.
First time I fully agree with you though I doubt Japanese and koreans are serious about it but who knows.

slightly off topic , but we should also have a pan indosphere utopia to match these people.( just laugh on this )
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this has existed in all ages and all races.

the qings were not defeated solely by european superiority but also because of many chinese siding against the qings and in active collaboration with foreign army.

there were many chinese armymen who killed boxer rebels and many han soldiers killed hans under orders of manchus.

all this can not make us think that there was no chinese or han identity.


the examples you pointed out were only showing that sometimes politics is more important than kith and kin .

after all art of opportunism is another name of politics.
The kyrghiz of the yenisei and the ancient uyghur khaganate were not racial kith and kin. The yenisei kyrghiz were described by tang historians as caucasians having green eyes, red and blond hair, with a few having black hair and black eyes. The Kyrghiz khagan and those kirghiz with the black hair and black eyes used their features to claim they were descended from Chinese, from Li Ling and his soldiers so they stood out from their colored hair and colored eyed brothers.

The ancient uyghurs of the uyghur khaganate were mongoloid and looked east asian. Their descendants are the yugur people in gansu who look 100% east asian and don't have any caucasian features or colored hair.

The modern uyghurs of xinjiang are a mix of kara khanid turks and tocharians, which is why they look 50% east asian and 50% caucasian.

Even 1,300 years ago turkic people were already vastly different in race.
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