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Old October 2nd, 2011, 09:30 PM   #1
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Ancient Chinese dress similar to Japanese dress?


I'm currently watching the new Chinese television drama about Sun Zi titled "Biography of Sun Zi" (孙子大传). I'm impressed by the costumes they used for this drama but I can't help but notice some similarities between the dress from this period the producers used and the Japanese dress from the Hiean period. Are these costumes historically accurate and could the similarities be a mere coincidence?

Who else sees a similarity?

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Old October 2nd, 2011, 09:39 PM   #2

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Not surprising to their nearness, a good deal of cultural exchange would likely occur.

While it's Wiipedia page, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan"]Japan's wiki page[/ame] would seem to back this up.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 09:47 PM   #3

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Right, we're talking 17th century, so there would have been all sorts of influence, not just in clothing.

Mingming, have you been to Japan? You should feel almost at home.
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Japan began a mass adoption of Chinese culture during the Sui/Tang era and began recieving Chinese cultural influence as early as the late Han period. so similarity between two sides should hardly be surprising after that period.

here's a block print comming all the way from the 8th century to demonstrate Japan in the early phase of that transition, as you can see the guy in the middle dress himself like a Tang official but the two young boys on the side still retain the old style hair brading.

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clothings before Chinese influence are inconclusive, though most evidence suggest very simple shirt like designs.

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As far as the Heian period dress is concerned, as far as I can see, it's accurate. Male dress styles had diverged by then though.

The Japanese didn't just copy the dress and the language - they copied the entire city of Chang'an (in Kyoto).
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As far as the Heian period dress is concerned, as far as I can see, it's accurate. Male dress styles had diverged by then though.

The Japanese didn't just copy the dress and the language - they copied the entire city of Chang'an (in Kyoto).
Ahem, I'm pretty sure the copied city was Nara, Kyoto came later and wasn't nearly as much of a copy.
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Ahem, I'm pretty sure the copied city was Nara, Kyoto came later and wasn't nearly as much of a copy.
Both Nara and Kyoto (then known as Heian-Kyo) were based on Chang'an, but Nara was only the capital for around 80 years. Kyoto remained so for many centuries. As to which one is a more accurate copy, I don't know, but if you look at the maps of ancient Heian-Kyo and Heiji-Kyo (Nara), they're virtually identical in layout.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 04:02 AM   #8

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The armour in particular is very clearly Japanese in style. You could take it out of this and put it in a film or show about Samurai in the Sengoku Jidai, and it would not be anachronistic.

Looks like Nanban Do Gusoku.

In fact it looks very similar to this armour worn by Uesugi Kenshin.

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The armour in particular is very clearly Japanese in style. You could take it out of this and put it in a film or show about Samurai in the Sengoku Jidai, and it would not be anachronistic.

Looks like Nanban Do Gusoku.

In fact it looks very similar to this armour worn by Uesugi Kenshin.

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Where did you find that picture? Beautiful armor, don't mind if I use it in the armor art thread.
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But is the Chinese armour historically accurate?
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