Whats your favourite Chinese dynasty? - Page 2 - Historum

OakRidge · October 22nd, 2011, 09:39 AM

My favorite is the Qing Dynasty I find the time period in which they ruled to be quite fascinating.

DeliciousTomatoesYay · October 22nd, 2011, 09:55 AM

My favorite one is the Ming Tang Song Han XD loooool!

Ming - Awesome dynasty name, clothings are so cool, very nice military, great naval ships!
Tang - Very cool armor, prosperity, great palaces and city!
Song - Chinese industrial age man! Awesome inventions but crappy military...
Han - Wonderful palace & clothings!

**Jake10** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:07 PM

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You mean by China wall?

No, I mean that the Han were able to organize themselves and drive the Mongols out of China, despite the strong Mongol rule there, and thus form the Ming dynasty. The wall served to keep raiders out, but it was social unity that kept the Mongols from invading again later on.

**Wenge** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:10 PM

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My favorite is the Qing Dynasty I find the time period in which they ruled to be quite fascinating.

The Qing was not a Chinese Dynasty. I will agree with you that the time period was fascinating.

**Mandate of Heaven** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:16 PM

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The Song was the probably the most powerful state that existed during that time period in terms of commerce, economy, and innovation. Education was on the rise, book production soared, and the Song expanded the use of paper money. Despite their overall military weakness the Song had powerful gunpowder weapons that they used to great effect against the Jurchens. The Song was also the period when China began shifting into more of a naval power as a result of the Silk Road being cut off by hostile powers.

That being said, the Ming combined all those qualities the Song had with a stronger military.

I think Song's military may be underrated. Song outlasted pretty much all of its rivals. And the one Song fell to, Mongols, Song was able to inflict more damage on them than anyone in the world could at the time. So much so that Song killed their great khan!

**Mandate of Heaven** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:20 PM

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The Qing was not a Chinese Dynasty. I will agree with you that the time period was fascinating.

But the Qing Court called itself Chinese. The West also called Qing Chinese. Most people did except the revolutionaries. And even they did after overthrowing the Qing government.

**Wenge** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:29 PM

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But the Qing Court called itself Chinese. The West also called Qing Chinese. Most people did except the revolutionaries. And even they did after overthrowing the Qing government.

Calling themselves something to control the populous and actually being what they claim are two different things. There were so many restrictions against the Chinese people during the time of the Manchurians and the Chinese people were so oppressed by the Manchurians that I can never accept them as a Chinese Dynasty.

Another thing thing that bothers me in the Chinese timeline is that there was really no such thing as a Yuan Dynasty. Kublai Khan was a traitor to his own people and the Yuan was Kublai's own little realm within the greater expanse of The Mongolian Empire.

**Mandate of Heaven** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:44 PM

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Calling themselves something to control the populous and actually being what they claim are two different things. There were so many restrictions against the Chinese people during the time of the Manchurians and the Chinese people were so oppressed by the Manchurians that I can never accept them as a Chinese Dynasty.

Qing emperors, and pretty much most of the Manchurians were very sinicized. They did get preferential treatment, but that does not mean they were not Chinese. Restrictions were mostly deregulated as needed.

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Another thing thing that bothers me in the Chinese timeline is that there was really no such thing as a Yuan Dynasty. Kublai Khan was a traitor to his own people and the Yuan was Kublai's own little realm within the greater expanse of The Mongolian Empire.

Yuan paper money

It's Chinese, and it specfically calls the dynasty Yuan.

**mingming** · October 22nd, 2011, 04:54 PM

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I think Song's military may be underrated. Song outlasted pretty much all of its rivals. And the one Song fell to, Mongols, Song was able to inflict more damage on them than anyone in the world could at the time. So much so that Song killed their great khan!

Which khan are you talking about? If it's Möngke then you should know that how he died is contested.

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Qing emperors, and pretty much most of the Manchurians were very sinicized. They did get preferential treatment, but that does not mean they were not Chinese. Restrictions were mostly deregulated as needed.

There is no point in responding to unproven propaganda.