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Old November 24th, 2012, 05:16 AM   #51
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Han has experienced in fighting elephant and they had the ability to stop them (The Han Dynasty of the 2nd century BC fought against Yue kingdoms of South East Asia ( ancient Vietnamese) that did employ war elephants.
Yue kingdom is not Vietnamese.

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Yue kingdom is not Vietnamese.
which yue u r referring to?
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which yue u r referring to?
Yue state, Minyue and Nanyue. Kingdom of Nanyue which consists of Guangdong and parts of northern Vietnam is established by Zhao Tuo, who are not Vietnamese. All three of them are not Vietnamese kingdom.

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Yue state, Minyue and Nanyue. Kingdom of Nanyue which consists of Guangdong and parts of northern Vietnam is established by Zhao Tuo, who are not Vietnamese. All three of them are not Vietnamese kingdom.
i am talking about 百越,not the china 三越
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i am talking about 百越,not the china 三越
You mean baiyue of south east asia?
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You mean baiyue of south east asia?
that's right
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Old November 24th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #57
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I state my conclusions first that Indian in 320 to 200 bc was more advanced than china but I do not think Maurya empire was larger, wealthier or even more powerful than han empire.

Mauryas did not have more than 40-50 million people and had less developed bureacracy than hans as well as technologically hans were using many machines which was not even used anywhere.

Though I think infantry of Maurya empire was quite sophisticated but it lacked a great cavalry .

Hans were certainly larger and more technically advanced and given similar per capita estimates provided by all economic historians , I think Hans produced more wealth in 50 bc to 50 ad than india in 300-200 bc.


however the idea that Mauryas had not used coins is downright ridiculous.

when Mauryas appeared on scene, India had seen metallic currencies for some three centuries already and we get mauryan coins from all parts of india except Tamil region which was not within the pale of the empire.

Also, Mauryan road system was greatest of their time ( i mean 300- 200 bc ) as we find a 2,000 km long road with milestones at every 3 kms and resthouses and wells along with men in charge of these things at every 5 km.

all this is verified by greek sources so reliability is well established.

also, their logistics was great as they transported a pillar on a 42 wheeled cart pulled by 2,000 men and the cart being 80 feet long with pillar's weight more than 60 tons to a distance of 700 miles.


and be rest assured what mauryas achieved in arts was never achieved by any asian empire till that time and I have yet to see Han era sculpture that can resemble the maurya age sculptures and pillars.

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this is image of a yakshi ( indian mythological nymphs) of maurya times.

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this is national emblem of India and do not think it is photoshopped, the polish is what has amazed even europeans.

this was built and installed in my city during Ashokan time.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 06:25 AM   #58
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I would think maybe the Muaryan Dynasty they had good elephants
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I state my conclusions first that Indian in 320 to 200 bc was more advanced than china but I do not think Maurya empire was larger, wealthier or even more powerful than han empire.

Mauryas did not have more than 40-50 million people and had less developed bureacracy than hans as well as technologically hans were using many machines which was not even used anywhere.

Though I think infantry of Maurya empire was quite sophisticated but it lacked a great cavalry .

Hans were certainly larger and more technically advanced and given similar per capita estimates provided by all economic historians , I think Hans produced more wealth in 50 bc to 50 ad than india in 300-200 bc.


however the idea that Mauryas had not used coins is downright ridiculous.

when Mauryas appeared on scene, India had seen metallic currencies for some three centuries already and we get mauryan coins from all parts of india except Tamil region which was not within the pale of the empire.

Also, Mauryan road system was greatest of their time ( i mean 300- 200 bc ) as we find a 2,000 km long road with milestones at every 3 kms and resthouses and wells along with men in charge of these things at every 5 km.

all this is verified by greek sources so reliability is well established.

also, their logistics was great as they transported a pillar on a 42 wheeled cart pulled by 2,000 men and the cart being 80 feet long with pillar's weight more than 60 tons to a distance of 700 miles.


and be rest assured what mauryas achieved in arts was never achieved by any asian empire till that time and I have yet to see Han era sculpture that can resemble the maurya age sculptures and pillars.

1.Click the image to open in full size.
this is image of a yakshi ( indian mythological nymphs) of maurya times.

2.

Click the image to open in full size.
this is national emblem of India and do not think it is photoshopped, the polish is what has amazed even europeans.

this was built and installed in my city during Ashokan time.


Sorry, i have to disagree with u on that.

Pre - Han
Art
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The Terracota Army(210 - 209BC)
The greatest piece of art work in mankind history. Unsurpassed.
FYI- the hardness of the terracotta army indicates that they were heated to a temperature of 2k degree Celsius!!

Military
Blast furnace -> steel
chromium plating -> prevent rusting (
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)
crossbow bronze triggering mechanism that can be mass produced and interchangeable,
so many more.....

Architecture
1)Zhenguo Canal(
Zhengguo_Canal Zhengguo_Canal
)
that cut through mountains and irrigated c. 27 000 square kilometres of additional agricultural land.

2) highway(chidao), around 9 of it connecting the rest of china to the capital XianYang. The largest chidao is around 22m wide and 900km long.

3) Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor, the largest man made pyramid in the world! Even larger the the Giza pyramid.

4) pound earth -> wall made is as strong as brick.

and so many more...

all this happen even before han dynasty.

Hence, how could u probably claim that indian during that period is more advanced than china?

At most i can said they are at the same level but indian surpassing china during that period is unbelievable
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Old November 24th, 2012, 06:46 AM   #60
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I would think maybe the Muaryan Dynasty they had good elephants
assuming you to be chinese is not it ironic that a chinese man is backing up mauryans whereas i a pure Indian is backing up han dynasty?

on a serious note, it is true that Maurya dynasty had 6,000- 9,000 elephants but I presume Hans had more than one hundred thousand cavalry and was technologically more advanced so han was more powerful.
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