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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:57 AM   #61
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Sorry, i have to disagree with with on that.

Art
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The Terracota Army(210 - 209BC)
The greatest piece of art work in mankind history. Unsurpassed.

Military
Blast furnace -> steel
chromium plating -> prevent rusting (Chinese swords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
so many more.....

Architecture
1)Zhenguo Canal(Zhengguo Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
that cut through mountains and irrigated c. 27 000 square kilometres of additional agricultural land.

2) highway(chidao), around 9 of it connecting the rest of china to the capital XianYang. The largest chidao is around 22m wide and 900km long.

3) Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor, the largest man made pyramid in the world! Even larger the the Giza pyramid.

4) pound earth -> wall made is as strong as brick.

and so many more...

all this happen even before han dynasty.

Hence, how could u probably claim that indian during that period is more advanced than china?

At most i can said they are at the same level but indian surpassing china during that period is unbelievable
1. Indian wootz steel is of better quality than other steels and occurs first in 300 bc in cheras.

2. you are not reading my post carefully, i am one who is saying that Hans were more advanced than mauryans and mine was period 300- 200 bc.



as for your size and other things, the thing is that indian sculptures are certainly better in artistic refinement but I supppose your idea of art is how many sculptures you produce and what is height of your tomb.

terracota army do not appear any artistically refined piece but since I have seen chinese members saying that they matched graeco roman sculptures, i can not pursue this further.


when we talk about art, it is refinement and sense coupled with emotions and connection with culture that matter and not 10,000 or 50,000.


nigerians in 14th century created a wall which was lengthier than any other in India and I do not think that proves their advancement.
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1. Indian wootz steel is of better quality than other steels and occurs first in 300 bc in cheras.

2. you are not reading my post carefully, i am one who is saying that Hans were more advanced than mauryans and mine was period 300- 200 bc.



as for your size and other things, the thing is that indian sculptures are certainly better in artistic refinement but I supppose your idea of art is how many sculptures you produce and what is height of your tomb.

terracota army do not appear any artistically refined piece but since I have seen chinese members saying that they matched graeco roman sculptures, i can not pursue this further.


when we talk about art, it is refinement and sense coupled with emotions and connection with culture that matter and not 10,000 or 50,000.


nigerians in 14th century created a wall which was lengthier than any other in India and I do not think that proves their advancement.

Your period is around Qin period.

Since u were talking about art
Bronze Chariots of the Terracotta Army

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The carriages have about 3400 parts. Each part is made separately and pieced together at the end.
Do u think its inferior than the indian art during that period of time?
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Han dynasty all the way, in China, they have Qin terracotta army...all we have is some stupid Stupa in Sanchi from this time.
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assuming you to be chinese is not it ironic that a chinese man is backing up mauryans whereas i a pure Indian is backing up han dynasty?

on a serious note, it is true that Maurya dynasty had 6,000- 9,000 elephants but I presume Hans had more than one hundred thousand cavalry and was technologically more advanced so han was more powerful.
LOL yes I am a chinese, we have different point if views. I guess the Han certaintly did have a great calverly. I guess the Han did indeed had a better tech.
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Your period is around Qin period.

Since u were talking about art
Bronze Chariots of the Terracotta Army

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The carriages have about 3400 parts. Each part is made separately and pieced together at the end.
Do u think its inferior than the indian art during that period of time?
and perhaps you are not aware that Bishop herber a man of 1820s did not touch mauryan pillars and so he thought it them to be of metals and wrote as such in his diary.

it is only when people touched it, they knew about its contents and Vincent smith remarked that such polish and refinement on stone was never performed anywhere in world.
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Han dynasty all the way, in China, they have Qin terracotta army...all we have is some stupid Stupa in Sanchi from this time.
what you are doing is selectively choosing your items.

compare mauryan pillars of varanasi with any individual terracota armymen and then see the difference.
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and perhaps you are not aware that Bishop herber a man of 1820s did not touch mauryan pillars and so he thought it them to be of metals and wrote as such in his diary.

it is only when people touched it, they knew about its contents and Vincent smith remarked that such polish and refinement on stone was never performed anywhere in world.
, haha, in the field of art i have no idea who is better.

But in the field of military i am very confidence that china is more advance than indian during 300 - 200 bc.
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, haha, in the field of art i have no idea who is better.

But in the field of military i am very confidence that china is more advance than indian during 300 - 200 bc.
Actually, I think that Hans were better than Mauryans in all aspects .

as for your 300- 200 bc chinese superiority, it reminds me of a chat a diplomat had with a number of chinese students in a university.

when Indian jokingly said that we would surpass china in population by 2040, the chinese became angry and said never.


the fact is that cavalry in china was non existent, the qin army used bronze weapons extensively and the numbers for mauryan empire is 7,00,000 men with a thirty thousand strong cavalry.


before you tell me about crossbows and catapults, do realize that seleucids were defeated by Mauryans and read about what greeks have written about Indian archers.
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In ancient times the Himalayas will make the Han Army impossible to invade India
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In ancient times the Himalayas will make the Han Army impossible to invade India
and that is why hindus worship himalyas that it protected us from a powerful neighbour and subsequent massacres.
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