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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #81
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now i would be criticised but i meant racially and culturally they are chinese.

i use culture rather than political boundaries to tell about ethnicity of people. sorry if i hurt anyone.
ok... thats fine, but culturally?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:51 AM   #82
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now i would be criticised but i meant racially and culturally they are chinese.

i use culture rather than political boundaries to tell about ethnicity of people. sorry if i hurt anyone.
so when they have the same culture they are considered the same?h
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #83
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After reading these posts, I must say that Mauryans were wealthier and Chinese had better military...in fact they have always have better military than almost all Indian empires/powers.
Thats debatable. There were a lot of periods when Indian Dynasties were more powerful than Chinese Dynesties.
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Thats debatable. There were a lot of periods when Indian Dynasties were more powerful than Chinese Dynesties.
Oh come one, we Indians went to battle virtually naked, we did not have crossbows, gunpowder, etc. All we had was elephant and we relied solely on that to protect us from Muslims who had gunpowder and kicked our ass.

We did have superior metal weapons though
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Oh come one, we Indians went to battle virtually naked, we did not have crossbows, gunpowder, etc. All we had was elephant and we relied solely on that to protect us from Muslims who had gunpowder and kicked our ass.

We did have superior metal weapons though
come on your war elephents were pretty good.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:16 AM   #86
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After reading these posts, I must say that Mauryans were wealthier and Chinese had better military...in fact they have always have better military than almost all Indian empires/powers.
actually, i think middle east, europe, china and india are four major regions with some ancient civilization and in my analysis India was

1. weakest of all militarily

2. least rich ( with exceptions in some centuries like kushana and gupta age india was richer than north africa and greater iran) of all

3. least contribution to science and technology ( not sure about middle eastern though but europe and china were technically more advanced.)

4. most humane of all with very less genocides , castration and slavery.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #87
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Oh come one, we Indians went to battle virtually naked, we did not have crossbows, gunpowder, etc. All we had was elephant and we relied solely on that to protect us from Muslims who had gunpowder and kicked our ass.

We did have superior metal weapons though
I dont understand what you mean.
The Indian armies in the past were powerful enough to defeat Greek, Scythian, Hun and Arab invaders.
They even defeated the Mughals during the period of the Maratha Empire.
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Oh come one, we Indians went to battle virtually naked, we did not have crossbows, gunpowder, etc. All we had was elephant and we relied solely on that to protect us from Muslims who had gunpowder and kicked our ass.

We did have superior metal weapons though
pushyamitra please read arthasastra and know about 13 kinds of armors mentioned in that.

the problem with indian history is that people do not understand that India was not some south east asia or mayan civilization, it was on same road but was a bit less advanced than say chinese dynasties.

and pratiharas defeated arabs who had humbled mighty persians without using any elephants.

the problem with india was manifold and i can not dis cuss all of it here.
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actually, i think middle east, europe, china and india are four major regions with some ancient civilization and in my analysis India was

1. weakest of all militarily

2. least rich ( with exceptions in some centuries like kushana and gupta age india was richer than north africa and greater iran) of all

3. least contribution to science and technology ( not sure about middle eastern though but europe and china were technically more advanced.)

4. most humane of all with very less genocides , castration and slavery.
Agreed on all accounts...we were pretty much a third world country with few brilliant times that make less than 10 percent of history.

In fact I think our civilization will die soon as Muslims are breeding like rats and infiltrating and Christians are converting...but that is for another topic.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #90
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the hunas who had defeated sassanians were crushed completely by skandagupta so this does prove that Indians were very advanced as military victory implies

1. either you are a barbarian race with no art but war

or you are highly civilized so that you can militarily confront barbarian races.

now no one can say indians were barbarians with only war as their art so second point is more tenable in my view.
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