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December 30th, 2011, 10:41 AM
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#11 | | Scholar
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Tang Dynasty poem Middle-Age Chinese pronunciation | | |
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December 30th, 2011, 07:33 PM
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#12 | | Young, Wild, and Free
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Mandarin didn't really become an official language until the Ming/Qing periods. Even then it was used more by officials and the aristocracy. I agree that medieval Chinese has a more "southern" flavor to it and that's probably why Tang dynasty poems sound better with Cantonese.
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April 27th, 2012, 02:36 AM
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#13 | | Archivist
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April 27th, 2012, 09:52 AM
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#14 | | Young, Wild, and Free
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Sounds like Thai, actually. Maybe that's where Thai came from! | | |
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April 27th, 2012, 11:45 AM
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#15 | | Archivist
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Well, it's very closely related to Tibeto-Burman, to the point now that some linguists are now classifying Sinitic as a sub-branch of Tibeto-Burman rather than as it's own major grouping within Sino-Tibetan.
However, some linguists postulate that Sino-Tibetan, Tai Kadai, Hmong-Mien, Austro-Asiatic and Austronesian all share a deeper linguistic connection - based upon various shared features that are not present in other languages of east and central Asia. This thesis is also supported by genetic evidence (correlates with YDNA O).
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April 27th, 2012, 03:52 PM
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#16 | | Young, Wild, and Free
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There is genetic evidence that the Tibetan people broke off from what is now the Han people nearly 3,000 years ago. Therefore, I think the Tibetans must have preserved aspects of Old Chinese, hence the similarities.
Now that I think of it, Shanghainese also sounds similar to this.
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April 27th, 2012, 04:16 PM
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#17 | | Archivist
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Chinese and Tibetans both belong to the Sino-Tibetan grouping, along with Burmese, Yi, Tujia and various other peoples in southwest China and northeast India. As I understand it, Ydna haplogroup O3 is the defining Sino-Tibetan marker, found in ~50% of Han, ~40% of Tibetans and close to 100% among some isolated Tibeto-Burman tribes in southwest China and northeast India.
To the untrained ear, standard Tibetan can sound (superficially) remarkably similar to various Chinese dialects: Some of the other Tibeto-Burman dialects (like Burmese) are more divergent, however.
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Last edited by Eroica; April 27th, 2012 at 04:22 PM.
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