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View Poll Results: Greatest Tokugawa Shogun?
Hidetada 1 14.29%
Iemitsu 4 57.14%
Ietsuna 0 0%
Tsunayoshi 0 0%
Yoshimune 2 28.57%
Ieshige 0 0%
Ienari 0 0%
Ieyoshi 0 0%
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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #1

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Greatest Tokugawa Shogun


.....Not named Ieyasu.

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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:17 PM   #2

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I entered this thread thinking 'I'm going to vote for Ieyasu'

Truth be told - all these men are nothing but names to me. Could your perhaps give us a rundown of their accomplishments?
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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:18 PM   #3

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I voted for Iemitsu. I would have of course chosen Ieyasu if he had not been omitted but Iemitsu seems to have been pretty decent to me. The Sakoku Edict of 1635 that he issued was very important to halt the influence the Europeans in Japan, to say the least.

On the long run, the policy of seclusion proved to be a failure as Japan had become backward compared to the outside world by the 19th century but during Iemitsu's time, it was used to cement his own position to great effect.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #4
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I entered this thread thinking 'I'm going to vote for Ieyasu'

Truth be told - all these men are nothing but names to me. Could your perhaps give us a rundown of their accomplishments?
Agreed. The only Tokugawa Shoguns I know are Ieyasu and Yoshinobu. Not familiar with the rest of them.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #5

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I'm not an expert of the Tokugawa shogunate, but I like Yoshimune's progressist mind and his attitude towards the Western world, he also seems to me a fairly good administrator.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #6

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I entered this thread thinking 'I'm going to vote for Ieyasu'

Truth be told - all these men are nothing but names to me. Could your perhaps give us a rundown of their accomplishments?
Tokugawa Hidetada - SamuraiWiki

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Iemitsu]Tokugawa Iemitsu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ietsuna]Tokugawa Ietsuna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Tsunayoshi]Tokugawa Tsunayoshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Yoshimune]Tokugawa Yoshimune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ieshige]Tokugawa Ieshige - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ienari]Tokugawa Ienari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ieyoshi]Tokugawa Ieyoshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Sorry. Didn't want my obvious bias to show through in describing them. Not yet anyway
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Old January 4th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #7

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Mmm hmm, well, the Edo period is (currently) outside my sphere of knowledge, and I'm only really familiar with Hidetada and Iemitsu, which wouldn't make it a fair vote.

Can I vote for Matsudaira Motoyasu?

This is an interesting idea for a thread though. Shall we expand it to the greatest shogun/shikken? It would help further people's knowledge of Japanese history in (great barbarian subduing) general.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #8

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Well, I don't really know that much about any of them and as far as I'm concerned Ieyasu was the greatest anyhoo.

During my visit to Japan in October last year I went to a place called Koyo-san. Among the many interesting things there I visited Ieyasu's mausoleum. I placed a stone on top of the Tori in front of it.
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Well, I don't really know that much about any of them and as far as I'm concerned Ieyasu was the greatest anyhoo.

During my visit to Japan in October last year I went to a place called Koyo-san. Among the many interesting things there I visited Ieyasu's mausoleum. I placed a stone on top of the Tori in front of it.
I wanted to visit Ieyasu's grave as well, but didn't make it in the end. I was too busy inmaidcafesinAkihabaraImean visiting other cultural sites, of course...
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Old January 4th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #10

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I wanted to visit Ieyasu's grave as well, but didn't make it in the end. I was too busy inmaidcafesinAkihabaraImean visiting other cultural sites, of course...
Yeah I really want to try that one day.......the other cultural sites I mean.....ahem.
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