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Old February 14th, 2012, 02:48 PM   #41

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Can we just admit that ancient Rome and ancient China were both great and advanced civilizations in antiquity? I think both were at the top of their game in their own respective hemispheres (West/East).
They were world empires. That means that they included all their civilized world into them. China was not a country, a nation-state, it was a Civilization State.

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I also heard a rumor that Romans did went to China...or Italians...something like that.
There were a few people that travelled far and wide, such as Marco Polo, in antiquity. As there is a report of a Roman embassy from the emperor Antoninus.
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In most cases, European inventions predate Chinese.... Take writing for instance:

Greek Linear B script: Since 1500 BC
Chinese Oracle Bone Script: 1300 BC
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Anything from 5th century BC China to compare to this?

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Ok I'll bite. The Great Wall of China? It was built in 220206 BC by the first Emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang.

Or what about the Grand Canal? Which was built around the same time period? Most ancient Roman engineering feats. like their aqueducts are in ruins.

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In most cases, European inventions predate Chinese.... Take writing for instance:

Greek Linear B script: Since 1500 BC
Chinese Oracle Bone Script: 1300 BC
Incorrect.
  • The Chinese had the Printing Press 300 years before Europe (Gutenberg and Caxton)

    The Chinese had Gunpowder and explosives several hundreds of years before Europe....such original Chinese innovations upon Gunpowder (i.e. Black Powder) are incendiary explosives, land mines, naval mines, multi-stage rockets, Flamethrowers (double-piston gunpowder-activated), hand cannon and the very first handgun (although it wasn't that effective).

    The Chinese had real paper, the kind of paper that the modern world is accustomed to, far surpassing Egypt's Papyrsus or whatever the Europeans at the time used such as animal skin and parchment.

    The Chinese invented the magnetic compass including the magnetic needle for North-South orientation 150 years before Europe.

    The Chinese have an older prototype written language that far predates any European language or alphabetic system.

    The Chinese had the calendar 1,000 years before the Greeks..

The list goes on and on...
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Ok I'll bite. The Great Wall of China? It was built in 220206 BC by the first Emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang.

Or what about the Grand Canal? Which was built around the same time period? Most ancient Roman engineering feats. like their aqueducts are in ruins.

(P.S. I don't know how to properly post images as I'm new to this forum.)
Then again, the Great Wall was built 2 centuries later and it was a Wall not a piece of art....



Aqueducts, sewerage, indoors WC and other luxuries were found in parts of Greece too, and they date back to 1500-2000 BC.....
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TruthSeeker1, let me tell you why this kind of "whatever vs whatever" thread is annoying and pointless.

You could probably not get a thorough and objective answer by posting this kind of thread. The answers that you get depends on where you post this thread. If you post this thread on a eurocentric forum, then you would probably receive answers like "Rome is 100 times stronger than ancient China". However, if you post this thread on a sinocentric forum, then the forum members would probably say "ancient China is 100 times stronger than Rome". Believe me, most people are somewhat subjective and biased.

And if you post this kind of thread on an international forum, then you would probably cause a long and annoying debate which would probably end up in insults. This kind of thread would totally destroy the harmonious atmosphere of an internet forum.

So please stop posting this kind of thread.

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Incorrect.
  • The Chinese had the Printing Press 300 years before Europe (Gutenberg and Caxton)

    The Chinese had Gunpowder and explosives several hundreds of years before Europe....such original Chinese innovations upon Gunpowder (i.e. Black Powder) are incendiary explosives, land mines, naval mines, multi-stage rockets, Flamethrowers (double-piston gunpowder-activated), hand cannon and the very first handgun (although it wasn't that effective).

    The Chinese had real paper, the kind of paper that the modern world is accustomed to, far surpassing Egypt's Papyrsus or whatever the Europeans at the time used such as animal skin and parchment.

    The Chinese invented the magnetic compass including the magnetic needle for North-South orientation 150 years before Europe.

    The Chinese have an older prototype written language that far predates any European language or alphabetic system.

    The Chinese had the calendar 1,000 years before the Greeks..

The list goes on and on...

Wrong....

The Arctic was first discovered by Pytheas in the 4th century BC.
Flamethrowers (Greek fire) existed in Greece since antiquity. Much earlier than China.
Greek was written down, two centuries before Chinese. Also, the modern Greek alphabet is much older than the modern Chinese "alphabet"
Greek historians, geographers, mathematicians, etc. etc. existed well before their Chinese counterparts.
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Then again, the Great Wall was built 2 centuries later and it was a Wall not a piece of art....



Aqueducts, sewerage, indoors WC and other luxuries were found in parts of Greece too, and they date back to 1500-2000 BC.....
The Great Wall was built on a series of mountains and bumpy slopes, not flat surface....The Great Wall is highly regarded not because of it's appearance, but because of the engineering feat. Once again, one of the oldest (and largest) ancient irrigation systems were built in ancient China in the Northwestern region. These were built centuries before the Romans did, and yet they still stand while most ancient Roman engineering feats like the aqueducts lie in ruins and don't work anymore. Based on the numerous examples, the ancient Chinese were far superior engineers (at least in Water engineering) than the Greeks and Romans were.
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Really?

1500 BC Greek weapons

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1500 BC Greek art

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1500 BC Greek architecture

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1500 BC Greek writing

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Show us some 1500 BC China now...
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Flamethrowers (Greek fire) existed in Greece since antiquity. Much earlier than China.
That is true, but the Greek Fire wasn't a weapon facilitated by gunpowder. They just made hand-held devices that made quick-shot bursts with the ignition of matches. That's why they primarily used it at sea, rather than land. Too bad the Chinese developed dozens of military innovations on gunpowder. That's all the Greeks/Romans ever had, let alone the effectiveness of it.

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Greek was written down, two centuries before Chinese.
Nope. Chinese prototype written language predates Greek/Roman writing.

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Also, the modern Greek alphabet is much older than the modern Chinese "alphabet"
Again...

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Greek historians, geographers, mathematicians, etc. etc. existed well before their Chinese counterparts.
Only a few...and vice versa holds true.
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