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Old November 4th, 2012, 09:51 PM   #41
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The Origin of the Dravidians


"Lemuria" was actually the Arabian peninsula. Around 40,000 BC, a large wave of Nilotic migration from Ethiopia, using the straits of Mandeb and Ormuzd, occupied the Arabian peninsula and Iran. They absorbed the Veddoid natives of Arabia and drove away the Mediterranoid Boreans (Cro-Magnons) in Iran, who migrated away to the Altai Mountains in Central Asia. The Northern Boreans split in 20,000 BC, with one half migrating east to Baikalia to become the Proto-Amerinds; the rest remained in the Altais, and became the Nostratics. The Nilotes remained in Iran and Arabia until 15,000 BC, when the first wave of Nostratics, called the Zagrians, arrived from the Altais to conquer and absorb them. By 15,000 BC, the Zagrian-Nilotics in Iran became the Dravidians, while those in Arabia became the Afrasians. The Zagrians in the Middle East absorbed a lot of Alarodians (Nakh-Dagestanis) and became the Kartvelians. In 13,500 BC, a huge migration of Hurrians from Azerbaijan shunted the Kartvelians aside to a corner of the South Caucasus and drove the Afrasians from Arabia to Ethiopia, where they became the Afro-Asiatics. But this had no affect on the Dravidians, who continued to thrive in Iran. In 7000 BC, the Dravidians conquered North India all the way to Bengal, absorbing the Mundas or pushing them south to join the Veddoids. But they were in turn invaded by the Iranians in 2000 BC and by the Indo-Dardics in 1500 BC. The Iranians replaced them in Iran, except for the southwestern Elamites. In India, they were driven to the south, where they absorbed the Veddoids and became the Dravidians as we know them today. Only the Brahuis remain in the northwest to testify to their former range. So this basically is who the Dravidians are, they are a people of many origins.

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this is dedicated to Bhima and his ratha is indeed very massive.
Sorry my friend... You've been taken in by fanciful naming!

The "rathas" are anything but... The name was given due to rather odd comparisons with Konarak and other similar places, but they're not really built as chariots. They're standard temples.

In fact, what's called "Dharmaraja Ratha" is a Shiva temple with a tri-tala vimana, as is the "Arjuna ratha" (though with one less tala, IIRC). The "Bhima" one is a "wagon-cart" structure meant for a reclining Vishnu. "Sahadeva" is probably meant to be for Skanda, and Draupadi is Durga.

They're each stone representations of the traditional wood/brick/metal forms of Dravidian temples. The three with proper vimanas are brick, Bhima is wood, and Draupadi is a kind of thatched hut.

You can read about these rathas here or here or here.

They generally have nothing to do with the Mahabaratha.
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"Lemuria" was actually the Arabian peninsula. Around 40,000 BC, a large wave of Nilotic migration from Ethiopia, using the straits of Mandeb and Ormuzd, occupied the Arabian peninsula and Iran. They absorbed the Veddoid natives of Arabia and drove away the Mediterranoid Boreans (Cro-Magnons) in Iran, who migrated away to the Altai Mountains in Central Asia. The Northern Boreans split in 20,000 BC, with one half migrating east to Baikalia to become the Proto-Amerinds; the rest remained in the Altais, and became the Nostratics. The Nilotes remained in Iran and Arabia until 15,000 BC, when the first wave of Nostratics, called the Zagrians, arrived from the Altais to conquer and absorb them. By 15,000 BC, the Zagrian-Nilotics in Iran became the Dravidians, while those in Arabia became the Afrasians. The Zagrians in the Middle East absorbed a lot of Alarodians (Nakh-Dagestanis) and became the Kartvelians. In 13,500 BC, a huge migration of Hurrians from Azerbaijan shunted the Kartvelians aside to a corner of the South Caucasus and drove the Afrasians from Arabia to Ethiopia, where they became the Afro-Asiatics. But this had no affect on the Dravidians, who continued to thrive in Iran. In 7000 BC, the Dravidians conquered North India all the way to Bengal, absorbing the Mundas or pushing them south to join the Veddoids. But they were in turn invaded by the Iranians in 2000 BC and by the Indo-Dardics in 1500 BC. The Iranians replaced them in Iran, except for the southwestern Elamites. In India, they were driven to the south, where they absorbed the Veddoids and became the Dravidians as we know them today. Only the Brahuis remain in the northwest to testify to their former range. So this basically is who the Dravidians are, they are a people of many origins.
I assume there's something remotely verifiable in all this?
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A nice resource for all of us interested in the Dravidian Languages ~

DRAVIDIAN LINGUISTICS ASSOCIATION

http://www.ijdl.org/
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Not necessarily related to the origin of the Dravidian languages but these news stories show that Dravidian speaking populations were doing trade with rest of the world about 2000 years ago.

The Hindu : Front Page : Tamil Brahmi script in Egypt

The Hindu : News / National : Potsherd with Tamil-Brahmi script found in Oman
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From wiki,Dravidian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"According to geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza in the book The History and Geography of Human Genes, the Dravidians were preceded in the subcontinent by an Austro-Asiatic people, and were followed by Indo-European-speaking migrants sometime later.
Yup. We mainlandic South East Asians were the first inhabitants of 'India'. They robbed the land from us. Darn it.

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The word "Dravidian" is a sanskrit word which refers to "Tamilians".
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Yup. We mainlandic South East Asians were the first inhabitants of 'India'. They robbed the land from us. Darn it.
It is not verified and in each year some new facts come up.

the mainlandic 'south east asians' were living in their isolated caves and were busy eating humans till 1000 bc .

they received everything from India .

most unoriginal of all cultures were south east asians who had no art, religion, literature or architecture of their own in any period of history.

earlier it was Indian, now it is middle eastern culture.

who would like to rob lands from such great people?
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The word "Dravidian" is a sanskrit word which refers to "Tamilians".
"Dravidia" is an English word and sanskrit word is dravida and it is used to signify whole peninsular India not just " Tamilians".
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It is not verified and in each year some new facts come up.

the mainlandic 'south east asians' were living in their isolated caves and were busy eating humans till 1000 bc .

they received everything from India .

most unoriginal of all cultures were south east asians who had no art, religion, literature or architecture of their own in any period of history.

earlier it was Indian, now it is middle eastern culture.

who would like to rob lands from such great people?
Rubbish, They taught the rest of the Asia, the Rice Farming. Get your facts cleared.
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