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Old April 9th, 2012, 05:57 AM   #1
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Arrow Is it a great degeneration to China that the Ching replaced the Ming?


In today's Chinese Society, many young people believed that the backwardness of China in recent hundreds of years was the result of the Manchu aggression... The Manchu destroyed the Chinese culture and led China to disaster. What do you think of this?
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I'm no expert at all on Chinese history, but I don't get the impression at all that the Manchu destroyed Chinese culture, but rather that the Manchu takeover helped it to become unduly fixed in its established ways, leading to excessive conservatism in many regards and even stagnation. The system ceased to adapt.

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Thank you. I think this kind of view is a reflection of the ressentiment in China nowadays. It is put out by the ones know little about history in most cases.
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So you think that view is mistaken?
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Old April 9th, 2012, 06:35 AM   #5
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I dont't like it ,anyway.
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the greater decline happened in the Song -> Ming transition
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Ancient Chinese had the right to choose the path.. But the declination of China from Qin to Ching is inevitable. La. This is not Historical determinism.
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the greater decline happened in the Song -> Ming transition
That is what my (admittedly limited) reading suggests as well. The economic development in the southern Song period had been remarkable. But even after the overthrow of the Yuan, the continued threat from the steppe kept the Ming constantly looking over their northern shoulder.
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I think that the Chinese people should thank Qings. Because there are able to hold some resistance against the western Imperial countries who were eager for getting new colonies around the world. If Chings were not there, China would have faced the same fate of the India back then during the 17th-18th century.
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Ancient Chinese had the right to choose the path.. But the declination of China from Qin to Ching is inevitable. La. This is not Historical determinism.
The Mings were totally devastated by the Hideyoshi Invasion of Japan. If they were to rule China after defeating the QIngs, the western Powers would have meddled with the internal affairs of weak Mings and would have got bigger colonies.
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