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Old April 14th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #1

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The Shoguns and The European Countries


Why didn't European Countries help the Tokugawa shogun to crush the uprising created by the Meiji Emperor and His alleys. The Clans that supported Emperor Meiji were anti-European at before the war. Whom did the Europeans help during the civil war during the bakamastsu?
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #2
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Why didn't European Countries help the Tokugawa shogun to crush the uprising created by the Meiji Emperor and His alleys. The Clans that supported Emperor Meiji were anti-European at before the war. Whom did the Europeans help during the civil war during the bakamastsu?
The last hurrah of the Shogunate forces occurred up in Hokkaido where Admiral Enomoto Takeaki and the Shogunate navy had holed up. Enomoto was primarily trained in the Netherlands, but the main foreign military advisors to the Shogunate were French, the 1867 French military mission, led by an officer by the name of Jules Brunet. They went north with Enomoto when things started to go downhill for the Tokugawas. So that would seem to mean French military advisors from Napoleon III to the Shogunate.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Brunet]Jules Brunet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I also think "anti-European" might be a slightly misleading appellation. Neither side was hardly "pro-European", and both sides contained elements devoted to modernisation, in order to make Japan strong and powerful. So the Shogunate started building a modern navy, the one commanded by Enomoto, while otoh the lowranking samurai from Tosa province, Sakamoto Ryouma, part of the original 200 rebels to come up with the slogan "Revere the Emperor, expel the barbarians", also became the "father of the imperial navy" (he started it as a private shipping enterprise).

Just to further complicate matters, Admiral Enomoto of course ended up Minister for the Imperial Navy in the 1880's.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:14 AM   #3

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I can't really see why the Western powers would want to get involved in an active way. I think they had enough wars of their own to want to have anything to do with another one halfway around the world. Like Larrey side, neither side was really pro-Western. Japanese trade had only been opened up for a few years, so I don't think there would have been all that much to protect there. And I'm not sure how much the Western powers understood Japanese politics to try and get involved. The only real fighting that the Western powers did that I know of was in retaliation against attacks on their citizens.
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Other than that it's not as if the Europeans truly were fearful of the *fingerquotes* inferior Asians. The realisation hit them in 1904.
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