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Old May 1st, 2012, 07:55 AM   #31
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[QUOTE=1991sudarshan;1022423]Accroding to millions of Hindu, Mahabaratha happened and Krishna lived 5 crore years before. I had tough time explaining my Marwadi friend who tells Mahabaratha and Ramayana really happened.



No. The Hindu scripture tells that Fair complex as divine and the dark complex as devil and vulgar.[/QUOTE

According to the scriptures, mahabharata happened 3200 BC.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #32

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IMO ancient Dwaraka city did exist.
It is a different debate weather everything about Krishna in the Mahabharata is right or wrong.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 02:04 AM   #33

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I think that Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) will not go deep into it because, the truth may shatter the very basic foundation of Hinduism and the credibility of Mahabaratha. According to Mahabaratha, Dwaraka was the capital of Lord Krishna's Kingdom. I believe it is like other Indus valley civilization cities like Harappa, Lothal, Mohenjadaro. The Hindu fanatics might bend the facts to promote Hinduism. Since Dwaraka is in north India especially in Gujarat where Krishna cult is very strong, any findings which deviate from the stories told to the masses may result in Chaos.

Remember the case of Sethu Samudram Project. It created lot of controversies. The North Indians were enraged because that they believed that the project will destroy the Ram Sethu( Adam's Bridge ) eventhough there was no major out cry against the project in Tamil Nadu.

Coming back to Dwaraka, the ground Zero is in North India and i think the historians and the archaeologists are bothered about their life rather revealing the truth which the Hindu fanatics would never take in to account.
I also believe that Dwarka is most probably another IVC site. However even if they declare it as IVC site IMO it won't spark a huge controvercy.

However I agree with you that in our country histroy is mixed with the religion for a long time. and it needed some serious revision before its too late.

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As far as I know, the ASI do not allow any private scuba diver near the Dwarka submerged city and some sort of dredging activity is going on. One of My friend is my Gujarat and I will ask for some more info and keep you guys posted.
Since I am your friend from Gujarat I will directly post some info on the issue.

Gujarat goverment already declared its intention to start a scuba diving project in the area as a part of tourism project. However I am not sure about the exact area that it involves.

Dive to discover an ancient city - Times Of India
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No. The Hindu scripture tells that Fair complex as divine and the dark complex as devil and vulgar.

about Which scripture are you talking about?
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I am afraid those are not very reliable. While the Indians did practice the unique and highly empiric practice of recording dates in conjunction with planetary,solar and lunar positions, i am afraid the Mahabarata itself is quite corrupted in this regard, no doubt due to later revisions and additions to it.

Depending on which set of data you are considering, the date of Kurukhshetra war is anywhere between 1000-5000 BCE.

IMO, the context of the kurukhshetra has to be examined: beyond the hubris and eventual 'legendification' of the main characters, what is underlying, is an epic battle between the regions of western India vs those of eastern/central India :with the exception of Virata and Madra, which is modern day jaipur region of Rajasthan and western Punjab (interestingly, this is the closest place to where the Saraswati river ends), we have Sindhu-Sauvira, Kamboja, Gandhara, Hastinapura & Anga aligned against Virata, Magadha and its forces. IMO, the most probable timeperiod of 'Mahabharata's Dwarika' may be in the archaeology of 1800 BCE-1100 BCE period.

This is the period where we see a massive decline in the IVC civilization and a concurrent rise in Gangetic valley civilization, with the latter flourishing on, with the IVC severely declining. This period couldn't have just happened peacefully and such a huge civilizational shift in Indian sphere would most likely be the origin period of a struggle of this magnitude.
hmm its interesting and seems more near to the reality. IS there any book or article which can give me more information on this hypothesis?
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I also believe that Dwarka is most probably another IVC site. However even if they declare it as IVC site IMO it won't spark a huge controvercy.

However I agree with you that in our country histroy is mixed with the religion for a long time. and it needed some serious revision before its too late.



Since I am your friend from Gujarat I will directly post some info on the issue.

Gujarat goverment already declared its intention to start a scuba diving project in the area as a part of tourism project. However I am not sure about the exact area that it involves.

Dive to discover an ancient city - Times Of India
I meant my College friend who is from Anandh,Gujarat. Anyways thank you for relieving my Burden my dear Gujarati Friend.
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