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Old April 29th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #1
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Archaeologists are now saying that Dwarka is a natural formation. What do you think of this? Is Dwarka man-made?

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There is who criticizes the historicity of the underwater city, but overall about the possibility that the town is extremely ancient.

Actually the submerged Dwarka comes from the historical age and it's in a context similar to the submerged part of Alexandria in Egypt [an earthquake can cause a similar consequence].
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So long as there is nothing in it for them, there will always be a few pessimists.

I don't know. What is their reasoning?

I was fairly sold on it, but now I'm wondering if it's equally as questionable as the Shroud of Turin.

Is there a Shroud? Probably. Is it Jesus? Well...

Are there underwater ruins? Probably. Is it Dwarka? Well...


This is one of the videos that sold me on the concept. There is a significant amount of ancient history in that area, I can't see why it wouldn't be a perfect location for some of the oldest civilization ever.


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There is who criticizes the historicity of the underwater city, but overall about the possibility that the town is extremely ancient.

Actually the submerged Dwarka comes from the historical age and it's in a context similar to the submerged part of Alexandria in Egypt [an earthquake can cause a similar consequence].
What age do you propose for the age of Dwarka then?

And doesn't this mean we will have to rethink everythign we already know if it is man made?
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What age do you propose for the age of Dwarka then?

And doesn't this mean we will have to rethink everythign we already know if it is man made?
Regarding the submerged site of Dwarka or about the Gujarat in general? The argument is wide and it would be interesting to have here some local Indian researchers.

Anyway the age of the ruins of Dwarka [the ones underwater] depends on why they are there.

The depth of the ruins could make think to a very remote past [even to the last glacial age], but in case of a devastating earthquake in the area, the soil can have gone down naturally and this would put Dwarka [as I can suppose since so far there are no strong evidences for the period of the glacial age] in a historical period, may be the age of the Harappa culture.

Anyway note that underwater sites from many millennium ago have been found [I use to mention atlit Yam as an example], so that the paradigm that when the seas and the oceans were lower no significant settlement had left ... it has fallen.

Underwater archaeology is the future of research and just the sites in the waters in front of Gujarat could tell us something very interesting.

If underwater archaeology along the coastal lines of the glacial age will demonstrate that humans made settlements with a certain commercial activity, travels through the seas ... and so on ... well, we will have to change opinion at least about the megalithic cultures: their age and their evolution. We will see.
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Regarding the submerged site of Dwarka or about the Gujarat in general? The argument is wide and it would be interesting to have here some local Indian researchers.

Anyway the age of the ruins of Dwarka [the ones underwater] depends on why they are there.

The depth of the ruins could make think to a very remote past [even to the last glacial age], but in case of a devastating earthquake in the area, the soil can have gone down naturally and this would put Dwarka [as I can suppose since so far there are no strong evidences for the period of the glacial age] in a historical period, may be the age of the Harappa culture.

Anyway note that underwater sites from many millennium ago have been found [I use to mention atlit Yam as an example], so that the paradigm that when the seas and the oceans were lower no significant settlement had left ... it has fallen.

Underwater archaeology is the future of research and just the sites in the waters in front of Gujarat could tell us something very interesting.

If underwater archaeology along the coastal lines of the glacial age will demonstrate that humans made settlements with a certain commercial activity, travels through the seas ... and so on ... well, we will have to change opinion at least about the megalithic cultures: their age and their evolution. We will see.
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I think that Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) will not go deep into it because, the truth may shatter the very basic foundation of Hinduism and the credibility of Mahabaratha. According to Mahabaratha, Dwaraka was the capital of Lord Krishna's Kingdom. I believe it is like other Indus valley civilization cities like Harappa, Lothal, Mohenjadaro. The Hindu fanatics might bend the facts to promote Hinduism. Since Dwaraka is in north India especially in Gujarat where Krishna cult is very strong, any findings which deviate from the stories told to the masses may result in Chaos.

Remember the case of Sethu Samudram Project. It created lot of controversies. The North Indians were enraged because that they believed that the project will destroy the Ram Sethu( Adam's Bridge ) eventhough there was no major out cry against the project in Tamil Nadu.

Coming back to Dwaraka, the ground Zero is in North India and i think the historians and the archaeologists are bothered about their life rather revealing the truth which the Hindu fanatics would never take in to account.
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Regarding the submerged site of Dwarka or about the Gujarat in general? The argument is wide and it would be interesting to have here some local Indian researchers.

Anyway the age of the ruins of Dwarka [the ones underwater] depends on why they are there.

The depth of the ruins could make think to a very remote past [even to the last glacial age], but in case of a devastating earthquake in the area, the soil can have gone down naturally and this would put Dwarka [as I can suppose since so far there are no strong evidences for the period of the glacial age] in a historical period, may be the age of the Harappa culture.

Anyway note that underwater sites from many millennium ago have been found [I use to mention atlit Yam as an example], so that the paradigm that when the seas and the oceans were lower no significant settlement had left ... it has fallen.

Underwater archaeology is the future of research and just the sites in the waters in front of Gujarat could tell us something very interesting.

If underwater archaeology along the coastal lines of the glacial age will demonstrate that humans made settlements with a certain commercial activity, travels through the seas ... and so on ... well, we will have to change opinion at least about the megalithic cultures: their age and their evolution. We will see.
As far as I know, the ASI do not allow any private scuba diver near the Dwarka submerged city and some sort of dredging activity is going on. One of My friend is my Gujarat and I will ask for some more info and keep you guys posted.
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Is this becoming a worldwide phenomenon, denial of dwarka as a manmade find, denial of the Bosnian pyramids , denial of the japanese underwater finds, a member the other day stating that greece is no longer investigating archaeological sites, and even building on top of them .no information whether they have investigated under the sphynx to see if there are underground rooms , no further information of the tibetan/budhist caves supposedly found in the grand canyon mentioned on another thread recently .
Is it just because money and resources are not available these days ???.or are these find really natural features , or hoaxes . who knows !

P.S. love your "10 kinds of people" quote Sudarshan
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As far as I know, the ASI do not allow any private scuba diver near the Dwarka submerged city and some sort of dredging activity is going on. One of My friend is my Gujarat and I will ask for some more info and keep you guys posted.
Thanks, it will be very useful to get direct information from the area about how researches are going on.
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