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Old July 18th, 2012, 05:28 AM   #111

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Getting back to an earlier point:

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Contrasting that to India post British Empire, where only six polities exist in entire South Asia ( Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal and Sri Lanka), this is the least number of polities in India in the last 2000 years at the very least.
Sikkim? Kashmir? Hyderabad? Two hundred-odd other princely states?

Or,

Portuguese-held Goa? French-held Pondicherry?

When the British left the subcontinent there were hundreds of existent polities.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 06:45 AM   #112

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Famine in British India - whose fault?


The almighty Wikipedia lists no less than fifteen famines that took place during the British rule of India. Several of these famines claimed multiple millions of victims, and the sufferings of victims of some of the more recent famines are captured in photography.

On Historum and elsewhere I've seen people use the Indian famines of this era as ammunition for anti-colonial or anti-British arguments. But were any of these famines actually orchestrated, or were they natural tragedies that had occurred in every previous chapter of Indian history? Did the British do anything to help those who were suffering?
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Old July 21st, 2012, 07:11 AM   #113

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Spellbanisher gave detailed review about the causes of famine in another thread.


Indeed he did. Threads merged.

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Old July 22nd, 2012, 07:29 AM   #115

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wrong thread. deleted.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 08:20 AM   #116

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The almighty Wikipedia lists no less than fifteen famines that took place during the British rule of India. Several of these famines claimed multiple millions of victims, and the sufferings of victims of some of the more recent famines are captured in photography.

On Historum and elsewhere I've seen people use the Indian famines of this era as ammunition for anti-colonial or anti-British arguments. But were any of these famines actually orchestrated, or were they natural tragedies that had occurred in every previous chapter of Indian history? Did the British do anything to help those who were suffering?
Food shortages can be caused by natural disasters like crop failures, droughts, etc. but famines, according to all that I have read on the subject, are caused by apathetic or malicious governments that don't do enough to distribute food, provide relief etc. in other words, a food shortage doesn't become a famine unless the government doesn't act decisively enough.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #117

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You're making excuses for the colonizers.

Stockholm syndrome is a good example of people trying to find the good in their oppressors, its simply a defense mechanism.

Lets say someone is robbed and almost killed, but in the process they learn to value life more and be thankful for what they have - is that mean the act of robbery on them was justified because some 'good' came of it?

One should never reconcile with one's aggressor, one should never try to find the good in what was inherently a bad a thing. This is a more honest psychological approach than trying to fool oneself into thinking - well, it wasn't so bad, some good came of it - that is the worst kind of self deception, and unfortunately an addiction in India which seems to never go away.

Who cares how India would have turned out, the important question is, all those people who suffered, all the wars, the killings, the discrimination, the humiliation, was that all 'for good'?

It wasn't.



A few weeks back your were fighting with some lame laptop-imperialist over this issue and now you're becoming another colonialist fan of sorts. Interesting.
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