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Old January 15th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #71

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None of this proves anything. The Xia Dynasty still hasn't been proven.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 02:04 AM   #72

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Taiwan was never a part of China until the very end of the Ming Dynasty.
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I am not wrong but because of the wisdom of the Chinese government to keep the truth from getting to its citizens I am unable to make my case with anything more reliable than Wikipedia. I assure you that I am not wrong.
Sadly, this is also correct.

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massively over-inflated boundaries of the mythical early dynasties as well as those of the Xia, Shang and Zhou dynasties.
Extremely over-inflated boundaries, and also inaccuracies in the other maps as well.

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hi, You must know the Noah's Ark. at the same period , in china is xia (夏), we have a YU(禹) Lead all of flood control, from The Tibetan Plateau and the The Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau to the china East Coast , this from west to esat; then from north of china to south of china. The YU(禹)si the third king of xia(夏).


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there is no such thing as the 'flood period' on a global scale.
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That bit that shows the Xia dynasty territory extending as far as Okinawa looks suspiciously like a prelude to a claim to me.
I think you might be onto something here.

This thread is getting interesting.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:01 AM   #73
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None of this proves anything. The Xia Dynasty still hasn't been proven.
Jimmu Tenno hasn't been proven either, and Japan proclaims him as the first emperor of japan. You should read the history books of every single country in Asia and see how much BS there is before singling out China. Most of them are full of BS and self glorifying.

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Sadly, this is also correct.



Extremely over-inflated boundaries, and also inaccuracies in the other maps as well.







Exactly.



I think you might be onto something here.

This thread is getting interesting.
You know, Australia, the United States, Canada, and New Zealand all did not exist during the Ming dynasty and every map before that. There is no need for these inflated maps to justify China's control over XXX because according to that principle, all the countries I mentioned have to commit cartographic suicide.
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Come to China and many people will be happy to tell you that Japan should belong to China and that the Japanese are clearly descendants of the Chinese.
As I understand it, the traditional Chinese view of the Japanese is that the latter are descended from Chinese who were exiled to the Japanese islands and interbred with the apes that lived there.

The tendency of Japanese men to have heavier beards than Chinese is attributed to that alleged interbreeding with apes. I have heard that Chinese often refer to Japanese derogatorily as "monkeys".
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As I understand it, the traditional Chinese view of the Japanese is that the latter are descended from Chinese who were exiled to the Japanese islands and interbred with the apes that lived there.

The tendency of Japanese men to have heavier beards than Chinese is attributed to that alleged interbreeding with apes. I have heard that Chinese often refer to Japanese derogatorily as "monkeys".
Similarly in WW2 Japanese think the Brits are monkeys and they are descended from gods.
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As I understand it, the traditional Chinese view of the Japanese is that the latter are descended from Chinese who were exiled to the Japanese islands and interbred with the apes that lived there.

The tendency of Japanese men to have heavier beards than Chinese is attributed to that alleged interbreeding with apes. I have heard that Chinese often refer to Japanese derogatorily as "monkeys".
No,Chinese don't call japanese monkeys,they call SE asian monkeys.
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Jimmu Tenno hasn't been proven either, and Japan proclaims him as the first emperor of japan. You should read the history books of every single country in Asia and see how much BS there is before singling out China. Most of them are full of BS and self glorifying.
The existence or non-existence of Jimmu Tenno or any other legendary figure in Asia - or, in fact, anywhere else - is irrelevent to the existence or not of the Xia dynasty. Lots of things probably didn't exist, but that fact in itself does not prove the non-existence of anything else.
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As I understand it, the traditional Chinese view of the Japanese is that the latter are descended from Chinese who were exiled to the Japanese islands and interbred with the apes that lived there.

The tendency of Japanese men to have heavier beards than Chinese is attributed to that alleged interbreeding with apes. I have heard that Chinese often refer to Japanese derogatorily as "monkeys".
The slur is "wo" "倭" and it doesn't mean monkey.
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The slur is "wo" "倭" and it doesn't mean monkey.
That's not the term he was referring too. China has a history of referring to the people that live there are dwarves and monkeys, one only intensified by the country's historical arrogance against the hegemon that is China. World War II was filled with instances where the Chinese referred to the Japanese as monkeys, its also reflected in allied propaganda.
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