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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #231
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So? We tamils never see Periyar as Indian freedom fighter, but a social reformer. He believed in Aryan invasion theory so he asked for separate lands for south indians. He was an athiest.

To your information, Periyar was actually a kannadiga, but worked for social cause of low caste people
Look do you think only tamil nadu had caste reforms ?

are karanataka areas or andhra not caste free ?

they did not need any anti Indian like Periyar to reform themselves .

also, nothing can change anti indian acts of periyar. you do not need to burn indian flags to reform your society or hitting Rama with shoes .
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #232

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Periyar was atheist but he never criticized Muslims and X-tians...
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #233
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Yes DK has no role in Indian history, it was the congress

DMK drifted from DK, because CN Annadurai not happy with Periyar

No any tamils in India against hindi, we only against the imposition of Hindi, we are not anglophiles

When the Anti-Hindi agitations broke out in 1965, Rajaji completely reversed his 1938 support for the introduction of Hindi and took a strongly anti-Hindi stand in support of the protests,[87] On 17 January 1965, he convened the Madras state Anti-Hindi conference in Tiruchirapalli.[88] angrily declaring that Part XVII of the Constitution of India which declared that Hindi was the official language should "be heaved and thrown into the Arabian Sea.

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Yes DK has no role in Indian history, it was the congress

DMK drifted from DK, because CN Annadurai not happy with Periyar

No any tamils in India against hindi, we only against the imposition of Hindi, we are not anglophiles

When the Anti-Hindi agitations broke out in 1965, Rajaji completely reversed his 1938 support for the introduction of Hindi and took a strongly anti-Hindi stand in support of the protests,[87] On 17 January 1965, he convened the Madras state Anti-Hindi conference in Tiruchirapalli.[88] angrily declaring that Part XVII of the Constitution of India which declared that Hindi was the official language should "be heaved and thrown into the Arabian Sea.

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haha, and you think that imposition of english is not that harmful for your language.

Hindi was made compulsory as per bill but is english not used in tamil courts and tamil leaders.


this is where i get enraged as tamils can have respect for a foreign language but not for any indian language.

this was the same mentality which led to defeat of Indians as regional stakes were too high.
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and yes it was same periyar who burnt indian constitution and flags in 1950s .

and it was same periyar who organized putaladahan where effigies of Rama were burnt and beaten with shoes all over tamil nadu.

Tilak never blamed tamils for anything but periyar constantly called aryans as invaders and ravana a hero.
It your epics that call people living in the south a dark and gruesome Demons and I still find many North Indians saying that South Indias were once demons .

This kind of epics enrage people were labelled as Demon and they would not go with the people who labelled them in such manner. That is why Periyar burnt the effigies of Rama and called Ravan hero.

If these propaganda still exist then there is no chance to teach the masses about the Original History of Indus valley Civilization.
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It your epics that call people living in the south a dark and gruesome Demons and I still find many North Indians saying that South Indias were once demons .

This kind of epics enrage people were labelled as Demon and they would not go with the people who labelled them in such manner. That is why Periyar burnt the effigies of Rama and called Ravan hero.

If these propaganda still exist then there is no chance to teach the masses about the Original History of Indus valley Civilization.
if that is the case then all races have been labelled as something bad in earliest books of any civilization.

the people in south china also were " barbarians " as per early chinese texts, so by your logic they should also burn all native chinese literature.

Ravan was also an " aryan " if you think in that way and more importantly Rama was very dark as per ramayana so calling dark is no abuse.

what we needed was that a new edition of Ramayana should delete such derogatory passages not burning of rama effigies.

and rama did not say anything against tamils , it was Valmiki himself a sudra man.

the issue is more complicated than it seems.
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Sudarshan and Avantivarman .... I request both of you to stop and carefully retrospect your posts ...
nothing is going to be proved and also we got some ugly truths on both the sides . It is better we come to truce as splitting hairs will only be a destructive force .
India has passed that secessionist phases and the nation is peaceful now [ keeping aside NE and KAshmir , which are exceptions] . The people of our counry are slowly learning to accommodate and getting integrated off late .
The existence of India , in itself is inherently a complicated one and puzzled all the social scientists . And now , after the country attaining a reasonable stability ,it appears comical to fight for why we fought 40 years back
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this is where i get enraged as tamils can have respect for a foreign language but not for any indian language.//

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Respect? no

We just think of practical stuff only

India got independence in 1947, the illiteracy level was almost close to 90%, suddenly the central government advocated everybody to use hindi, the period in which even tamils not literate even in their mother tongue?

The TN govt asked the use of English as intermediate language between central and state and use all other Indian language as national languages and governing language of their respective states
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Sudarshan and Avantivarman .... I request both of you to stop and carefully retrospect your posts ...
nothing is going to be proved and also we got some ugly truths on both the sides . It is better we come to truce as splitting hairs will only be a destructive force .
India has passed that secessionist phases and the nation is peaceful now [ keeping aside NE and KAshmir , which are exceptions] . The people of our counry are slowly learning to accommodate and getting integrated off late .
The existence of India , in itself is inherently a complicated one and puzzled all the social scientists . And now , after the country attaining a reasonable stability ,it appears comical to fight for why we fought 40 years back
This Dravidian supremacy theory is not popular these day in Tamil Nadu. But the Migrating North Indians are harbouring such Aryan supremacy and Hard Core Hindutva ideas. At one point of time my Friend from North India told that Indus Valley Civilization is an Aryan Civilization ( A victim of Aryan Supremacy theory). All I could do is to laugh in my Mind so that I wouldn't offend him.

Since the North Indians are the Majority in the Central Government, they fuel these kind of fake theories to get votes from their people are who firmly believe these Aryan stuff, Ramayana and Mahabaratha and do not acknowledge practical stuffs. It is very difficult to find a genuine scholarship and there exist few exceptions but they are showed by the once who are popular with Masses.
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Periyar was atheist but he never criticized Muslims and X-tians...
Why Periyar severly cristisized Hindu religion is because Hindu religion contains hundred of mythological stories i.e Puranahas which doesnt have any logic into it. The hindu religion leaders were found it very difficult to answer the questions asked by him which Periyar thought was all superstitious believes. One more major reason it is due to the caste discrimination that prevailed in the Hindu religion and he strongly against the Brahmins who had supported the discrimination to be continued in the Hindu temples.

Periyar till his last days he was loyal to his conscience and to his people. Periyar never told not to worship God. I give below the exact statement of Periyar about God and worship

"Uruvamattra kadavulai, yaaraiyum ondrupol sirushtikkum kadavulai, ollukkamulla kadavulai, moodanambikkaiku idamilladha thanmayil vanagalam."

Meaning: anyone can worship the God who is not in form, who treats every one equally as his child, a God with Godliness without Materialistic pleasures, and the God who can not be limited within superstitious believes.

This is what he expected from the Hindu religion.
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