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Old December 12th, 2012, 12:38 AM   #321

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Please read my post once again. I have given the reference from verses 1 to 3 of Genesis Chapter 11. The subject of babel is coming only after that. What I want to emphasis is in verses 1 to 3 there is a mentioning of

"And the whole world was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and they dwelt there.And they said to one another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly.And they had brick for stone and slime had they for morter."

This one language and one speech is refers to Tamil and may not be Greek, latin,sanskrit or accadian or any other language. Because , while linguistic scholars researched the languages of greek,latin,sanskrit, accadian, english,french and german and other languages they were able to find their ROOT WORDS which belongs to only Tamil. Besides, so far, no language in the world has worthy to claim "as oldest" than Tamil because they can not give any substantial proof for their antiquity.

"as they journeyed from east : You are well aware that the world's oldest civilisation is IVC. From Indus People MOVED TO WEST FROM East .

"they found a plain in the land of Shinar and dwelt there : when people moved west from east after they found plains in the Shinar region where they formed the second oldest civilisation "Sumerian civilisation"
Shinar is a region.

"and they said to one another,go to, let us make brick: In sumer they built their town made of bricks, which they already know how to make bricks right from their earlier place i.e Indus vally. Archeological evidence states that Indus valley town is built by bricks and they joined bricks with morter. No other civilisation on earth prior to IVC has used bricks and morter for construction.

The people of IVC is Tamil because the symbols of Bull, swastik , fish, man with bulls horn on his head, and woman (kottravai) were the symbols used by Dravidians right from Kumarikandam (lemuria).

If you read some of the books which I referred, will help you to understand further .

Any way, I pray God to bless your each and every day as a "polite day"
gen. 10,10: And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

so what is your evidence for a tamil connection?

Gen, 10 describes the descendents of noah and his sons Sem, Ham and japhet. gen 11 states "And the whole world was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed TO the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and they dwelt there." So they did not come from the east, but went to the east.

And if you quote the bible as source, then you have to accept as well the deluge. The IVC must have been wiped out during the deluge, if the bible is correct. Surprisingly all around the world no culture existing at those days shows evidence for the deluge. So the bible is here no serious historical source, but a fairy tale.

The oldest bricks are from jericho and 7500 years old. Any older in the IVC? Oh, no. the IVC started around 2900 (3300) BC.

Linguists all around the world are searching for the oldest language. No serious linguist ever stated it is tamil and even today such super families like nostratic or Eurasiatic or Sino-Dene-caucasian are highly disputed, because the evidence is so poor. Human language is old, very old. Nobody knows how old. The modern humans came from Africa, so do you think they weren't able to speak or do you think they were already tamils? Any serious evidence for relations between Khoisan and Tamil?
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gen. 10,10: And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

so what is your evidence for a tamil connection?

Gen, 10 describes the descendents of noah and his sons Sem, Ham and japhet. gen 11 states "And the whole world was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed TO the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and they dwelt there." So they did not come from the east, but went to the east.

And if you quote the bible as source, then you have to accept as well the deluge. The IVC must have been wiped out during the deluge, if the bible is correct. Surprisingly all around the world no culture existing at those days shows evidence for the deluge. So the bible is here no serious historical source, but a fairy tale.

The oldest bricks are from jericho and 7500 years old. Any older in the IVC? Oh, no. the IVC started around 2900 (3300) BC.

Linguists all around the world are searching for the oldest language. No serious linguist ever stated it is tamil and even today such super families like nostratic or Eurasiatic or Sino-Dene-caucasian are highly disputed, because the evidence is so poor. Human language is old, very old. Nobody knows how old. The modern humans came from Africa, so do you think they weren't able to speak or do you think they were already tamils? Any serious evidence for relations between Khoisan and Tamil?
The submerged city of dwaraka is also beleived to belong to IVC culture by many and it is older than IVC.[not related to the topic though]
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The submerged city of dwaraka is also beleived to belong to IVC culture by many and it is older than IVC.[not related to the topic though]
Do you mean the marine findings there? Hardly true.
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Bro if the whole world was speaking tamil where did tamil originate now dont say it was bought all the way from present tamil nadu.
I do not understand what do you mean.please be precious so that I can reply
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I do not understand what do you mean.please be precious so that I can reply
He has a point. He is asking proof for the spread of Tamil language from the tip of Kanyakumari to the entire world and he is asking for proofs how the Tamil language got corrupted into the different languages of the World.
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He has a point. He is asking proof for the spread of Tamil language from the tip of Kanyakumari to the entire world and he is asking for proofs how the Tamil language got corrupted into the different languages of the World.
yes, or some dna samples, which prove the descendence of all humans from tamils.
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yes, or some dna samples, which prove the descendence of all humans from tamils.
You can not expect unnmai to provide dna sample for backing his arguments. He has an iterative answers he would say that the genetics and scientists are racists and euro centric and they are hiding the facts to retain their racial supremacy
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Tamil civilization

DNA samples?

Flood myths wide prevalent in all the parts of the world

Tamils are one of the oldest tribes living in the world interm of languages

they had longstanding trading relationships with all known world civilizations

No one sure about the origin of Tamils
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Lets compare two civilizations - Greeks and Tamils

Madurai - as per history, founded by the Pandyan King
Athens - as per myth, founded by the King Pandion I

Greek - Atlantis - sunken continent around 9000 BC as per their myths
Tamil - Kumari Kandam - sunken continent around 9000 BC as per tamil myths

Greek - Mount Olympus
Tamil - Olipatha malai (mountain in srilanka)

Greek - zeus, dionysus
Tamil - siva, murugan

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Tamil civilization

DNA samples?

Flood myths wide prevalent in all the parts of the world

Tamils are one of the oldest tribes living in the world interm of languages

they had longstanding trading relationships with all known world civilizations

No one sure about the origin of Tamils
Tamil survives because it was farthest to reach from afgan passes and stop giving false claims.

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