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Old December 15th, 2012, 06:37 AM   #371

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Now, the topic is shifted to sri lankan History?

Do you know that the original inhabitants of sri lanka are dravidians? It is a long story.

But the present situation of Srilankan politics I don't want to discuss right now.
i am not talking about present situation in srilanka read the 2 links provided
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Old December 15th, 2012, 06:59 AM   #372
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Please tell me why there are no case endings for adjectives in Tamil like , Greek language. I can also arbitrarily pick out similar sound in any languages of the world. Proofs please.

I can also put such a list between Mandarin and English and I can tell that English and Mandarin are inter related
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tamil and english are same in use of neuter gender, no words of non living things considered as carrying gender

Tamil: Rail poi kondu irukirathu which is also parallel to the train is going in english

whereas in Sanskrit: Rail poi kondu irukiraal (rail here carries feminine form)

but sanskrit is close to english than to tamil as per linguistic scholars

take another case

classic sanskrit is agglutinative similiar to tamil but English is not agglutinative


In tracing Proto languages, linguistics only consider vocabulary not that much on grammar
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Old December 15th, 2012, 07:20 AM   #373
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Tamils are one of the oldest tribes living in the world interm of languages

they had longstanding trading relationships with all known world civilizations



Proofs. Please
Not read school?!

Roman coins in Karur

Tamil words related to trade goods in world languages prior Christian era
Tuki - tokai peacock
Orzya - arisi rice
etc

greek, latin, hebrew etc these are the languages carries tamil words related to trade goods pointing out tamil trade relationships with these cultures

And these facts are mentioned in any NCERT history books
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Scholars like Asko Parpola and Iravatham Mahadevan which you consider the most perfect ones on tamil history

Asko Parpola mentioned fish symbols in Indus valley civilization also meant stars and planets

Tamil is the only world language where both the stars and fish meant with the same word "Meen"". This case also notified by Asko parpola


Iravatham Mahadevan mentioned indus numerals is eight based one, Tamil also formerly eight numerals based one , the tamil word number and eight is the same "எண்"

Tamil literature mentioned practice of bull fighting and still follows by the tamils, one of the indus seals also carried bull fighting and bull is the important animals in their seals

The Hindu : Front Page : Bull-baiting of yore

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Old December 15th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #375
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Thomas Burrow an Indologist and the Boden Professor of Sanskrit at the University of Oxford from 1944 to 1976 listed 500 words of dravidian tongues in Vedic sanskrit

Thomas Burrow, The Sanskrit Language, 3rd edn. (1955), chapter 8, and 397-8
F. B. J. Kuiper, Rigvedic loanwords, in: Studia Indologica, ed. Spies, Bonn (1955), pp. 137-185; F. B. J. Kuiper
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500 words of dravidian tongues,

most of those 500 words are tamil in origin
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Old December 15th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #377

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I have given enough references to you friend. It is your responsibility to read . Above all, as I told you already, unless untill you do not know Tamil, you can not understand the content of evidences that are available in Tamil sangam literatures. I have referred Bible because, the language which is mentioned in Bible is related to IVC, naturally which should be Tamil. The same reference also you can see from the books what I have mentioned.

If you happened to come to Tamilnadu, call me I will give the books to you.
Without doing home work , don't blame me. I do understand that you are having language barrier for which I am helpless.

your claims on Bible are easily refuted by Berona. So does your claims that Christianity predates Hinduism. So batter you give proper rebuttal first on those posts before advising me.
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Yes, I read that article.

I do understand that the writer states that Srilanka was invaded by dravidian kings number of times since 230 BCE.

It is unfortunate that he doesn't know the history of India and srilanka. Because on those days there was no any Indian union as well as Srilanka . India is divided into many dynasties and Srilanka also a part of Tamil dynasty ruled by Chola, pandiya, chera and other tamil dynasty. It was usual on those days that one particular time srilanka was ruled by Chola, then invaded and ruled by pandiyas, another times by chera so on. It doesn't mean Srilanka is invaded like so on.

Infact, the present situation is entirely different. The present sinhalese who were mostly followed budhism were migrated from Present Orissa(Kalinga dynasty) after Pushyamithra sunga killed the last maurya king and paved the way for Sunga dynasty. As Pushyamithra was a brahmin he again encouraged animal sacrifice which was against the Budha faith he tried to kill all budhist monks and the followers and they ran to srilanka and settled their. On later period, they have suppressed the native tamilians who lived there for centuries. This is how Srilankan issue started.

The article what you have referred is merely a twister.
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tamil and english are same in use of neuter gender, no words of non living things considered as carrying gender

Tamil: Rail poi kondu irukirathu which is also parallel to the train is going in english

whereas in Sanskrit: Rail poi kondu irukiraal (rail here carries feminine form)

but sanskrit is close to english than to tamil as per linguistic scholars

take another case

classic sanskrit is agglutinative similiar to tamil but English is not agglutinative


In tracing Proto languages, linguistics only consider vocabulary not that much on grammar
You are absolutely right. Linguistics pay no tribute to grammar, when they classify languages, although grammar is the most enduring part for a language. If Chinese would increasingly use English words, they would classify Chinese as Indo-European like it happened with North Indian languages, which are totally Dravidian in grammar. This was the Anglo-Saxon strategy to divide the whole world and bring all under their realm without losing lots of manpower. In India the British controlled the Brahmin community, so they had control over almost all Indians, due to their high status. They gave education to Brahmins only, and enforced the caste divide to extreme limits. The British-Brahmin brotherhood ended only after independence, now the Brahmins face lots of struggle to survive in India.
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Iyer and Iyengars are the sub branch of Brahmins. you say that Indigenious Brahmins Iyes and Iyengars are different. There is no such thing called indigenious brahmin and all and that doesn't exists in the present day society nor in the past. Some people from this sect may have this North Indian look but you can not apply this to the entire sect.
To know better about Tamil, Sanskrit, Hindu religion, Aryans & dravidians I recommend you to read the book (it is in Tamil language)

"Indhu madham enge pogiradhu?

by Sri.Agnihothram Ramunaja Thathachariyar

I purchased this book at Chennai when I was returning to England after a short vacation

This is very wonderful book and the author is a vedic, sanskrit scholar and
he was a close friend of Kanchi Sankarachariar. He has given detailed explanations about Tamil, sanskrit, Hindu religions and also about rituals of Hindu religions and of course about the Brahmins and it will be very interesting to read too.

Though we both are fighting with each other , I felt that this book will help you in understanding certain basic truth about the topics which we are discussing more than a year.

I request my other forum friends to read this book (if you know Tamil) and I am sure this book will be a eye opener
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