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Old September 17th, 2012, 04:56 AM   #1

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Goguryeo: from its origin to its fall


Goguryeo(高句麗) was once famous for its successful defense against a millions of forces from Sui(隋)-Tang(唐) empire having incoporated most of neighboring Asian people. In some Chinese folk legends, Li Shimin(李世民), one of most excellent emperors both in politician and military talents, had his one-eye hit and lost with an arrow drawn by a Goguryeo-archer in his own Goguryeo's campaign(645). It is said that his final days have been filled with severe sorrows and groans over his mental and physical diseases. He died at the age of 50, 4 years after his Big Failure in Goguryeo.

Unfortunately to Goguryeo, these events happened only 2 decades before their fall. If Goguryeo, enterning so deeply into the declining seasons, could repulse millions of Asian superpowered troops, I'd like to guess how much greater power and flourishment it enjoyed at its golden age? (A Korean representative nationaliist historian Shin Chaeho complainted that the conventional historian concentrated on the Korean decaying time so many older proud Korean history was lost.)


Until todays, much details about strong and wealthy Goguryeo were not known except their defensive wars displayed in the last stages of history. As in the other Korean ancient history, Goguryeo has been pointed out to not have enough records. As much as the deficiency in historical records, their origin remains mysterious in various aspects.

For example, the contemporary Goguryeo people proclaimed themselves as a descendent of older kindom of Buyeo(扶餘). Although their own inscription in Gwanggaeto Stele referred well to the origin from it consistently with other Chinese and Korean literatures, the develoment of modern archaeology does not support it to much large degree. The relation to Gojoseon(古朝鮮) is another mystery. Some scholars claimes even that in the last stage of Gojoseon the two nation was independently-separted while it was orthodox and conventional explanation that pre-Goguryeo undertook a successive processes under a Gojoseon-subject and Chinese Xuantu Commandery. Some in somewhat nationalistic veiws says the Goguryeo territory is more wider than a universal theory. A decades ago, China started to absorb its history as a part of their own to ignite the Korean-Chinese historical wars. So lot of Korean media greatly have been interested in the history of Goguryeo. Here I collected and linked one of series by Korean scholars in newspaper. I'm grad to share all of you because it has been written in an international common language.

(1) What lies behind China`s `Northeast Asia Project?`

(2) Problems concerning China`s research


(3) [Goguryeo history revisited (3)]Chinese views on the origins of Goguryeo...


(4) [Goguryeo history revisited(4)]Goguryeo`s relationship with China


(5) Critique on China`s view of Goguryeo seventy-year war


(6) The diaspora of Goguryeo people


(7) History of the Balhae Kingdom


(8) Historical successor to Goguryeo



(9) The Goguryeo debate continues


(10) [Goguryeo history revisited (10)]Formation of Goguryeo as a state


(11) Goguryeo`s territorial expansion

(12) [Goguryeo history revisited (12)] Goguryeo, an East Asian hegemony


(13) [Goguryeo history revisited (13)] Goguryeo period artifacts in North Kor...

(14) Goguryeo undeniably part of Korean history

(15) Tomb murals of Goguryeo evolved in three stages

(16) [Goguryeo history revisited (16)]Unearthing the past and present of Gogu...

(17) not found

(18) [Goguryeo history revisited (18)]Goguryeo was a magnanimous, multiethnic...


(19) Historians tackle Northeast Asia legacy


(20) [Goguryeo history revisited(20)]Mythology and worship ceremonies of Gogu...

(21) Goguryeo: a country built on fortresses

(22) [Goguryeo histoty revisited(22)]The world of Goguryeo`s tomb murals

(23) The evolution of Goguryeo tumulus culture

(24) [Goguryeo history revisited(24)]Goguryeo relics show powerful spirit of ...
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Thanx a lot for having started this thread Koala. I'll try and go through the numerous informative links that you have posted. Could you please give us a brief outline of the Goguryeo empire. It would also be great to have a map of the empire @ it's maximum geographical expansion limit.

If I am not wrong the name Korea traces its origin from this empire. Where does the word Goguryeo originate from.

Some information on the Goguryeo economy and its relations with other nations of that time would be appreciated as well. How many citizens did Goguryeo have at its zenith and what was the life of an average citizen like?
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Which country/people do you think the Chinese hates/dislikes the most?
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Nice nationalist historical revisionism. The only source which says that Taizong was hit in the eye by a Goguryeo archer was the Korean Broadcasting Corporation. no historical text mentions this incident. he died after taking elixer pills given by alchemists.

Goguryeo was also subject to a humiliating defeat by the Chinese state of Wei, with the Goguryeo capital at Hwando being razed to the ground.

Goguryeo was also defeated by the Xianbei, who temporarily occupied the capital of Hwando again, forcing the king to flee, and forcibly conscripting the goguryeo people into manual labor.

When korean nationalists speak about Goguryeo, why don't they talk about when Goguryeo was defeated?
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Nice nationalist historical revisionism. The only source which says that Taizong was hit in the eye by a Goguryeo archer was the Korean Broadcasting Corporation. no historical text mentions this incident. he died after taking elixer pills given by alchemists.

Goguryeo was also subject to a humiliating defeat by the Chinese state of Wei, with the Goguryeo capital at Hwando being razed to the ground.

Goguryeo was also defeated by the Xianbei, who temporarily occupied the capital of Hwando again, forcing the king to flee, and forcibly conscripting the goguryeo people into manual labor.

When korean nationalists speak about Goguryeo, why don't they talk about when Goguryeo was defeated?
Are you trolling?
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Are you trolling?

Nope, just introducing facts which koala ommitted,
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Old September 18th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #7

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Nope, just introducing facts which koala ommitted,
People need to stop talking about nationalists, or at least answering them..

because...

the vast majority of Chinese, Koreans, Japanese do not give this much thought or don't care...and live on with their lives...or am I missing something?
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Thanx a lot for having started this thread Koala. I'll try and go through the numerous informative links that you have posted. Could you please give us a brief outline of the Goguryeo empire. It would also be great to have a map of the empire @ it's maximum geographical expansion limit.

If I am not wrong the name Korea traces its origin from this empire. Where does the word Goguryeo originate from.

Some information on the Goguryeo economy and its relations with other nations of that time would be appreciated as well. How many citizens did Goguryeo have at its zenith and what was the life of an average citizen like?

your compliments cheered up me, Jangora. As you said, I'd like to post summarize and to supplement as long as my capability and time permit from now.
It's certain that the name Korea from Goruryeo. Now the official name of S. Korea and N. Korea is from Han(韓) and Choseon(朝鮮) so the former was said as "DaeHanMinGuk(大韓民國)." The Chinese records appeared under some variants like 句驢, 句麗, 高句驢, 高句麗, and 高麗. The last is final fixed form and the others are older forms. So, most of contemporary their own inscriptions shows only 高麗. But later middle age kindom Goryeo(高麗), despite following the older name exactly, distinguished their own name from that of ancient one by using Goguryeo for the older as general. This is the reason why the Gorguryeo became laterly fixed as the representative name of the ancient kingdom. This middle aged name continued in Western countries even after Choseon replaced Goryeo.
There has been no agreement on its etymology. For the records of Sangokushi(三國志) that Guru(溝漊) in the Gogureo language is a castle(城), usually most said that the castle is the origin of "Goguryeo". But, I privately agree with the opinion that all the Chinese mark 句驢, 句麗, 高句驢, 高句麗, and 高麗 is read in the same way like Gauri as in like the present Chinese, gauri or gaori. A Korean-nationalist historian assumed its meaning is related to "center". Similarly, the central district or tribe among 5(E,W,N,S +center) is called Gaeru(桂婁).
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Nice! So the origin of the word is related either to Castle or Center. Both make sense. Looking forward to answers for other questions koala shi.
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Goguryeo,shill baejie if they were 3 apples,then Goguryeo was eatern by Chinese,It's people it's land.So Goguryeo was a Chinese state.And Baejie was eaeen by shill finally become Korea ,So Baejie is a Korean states.
And in the furthure,If North Korea was eatern by China,then North Korea was a Chinese North Korean state.And Chinese North Korea is also Chinese,so North Korea is one of Chinese state.But you cannt say North Korea was a South Korea state because North Korean is not south Korean.
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