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Old November 5th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #1

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Mongoloids of Asia : Then and Now


My ethnicity is pretty young but mixed. The same can be said of the other ethnicities around the planet. The reason is - ethnicities come and go, but people remain.

Existing people from different directions come together to form a new community and then disband due to various forces - only to repeat the cycle again.

Mongoloid people are numerous and well known around the world. So who exactly are they? What distinguishes them from other folks like the Negroids, Australoids, and Caucasoids?

Personally, I think the Mongolians reached their zenith under the famous Mongol Empire stretching over two continents. They believe Chingis Khan will come once again and make them a great people. I am waiting with bated breath.

Where exactly did the Mongoloid Race originate and what is its Genetic makeup. How fair/dark and tall/short can a Mongoloid be? Apart from the great Khmer empire did they create any other wonders?

Is the Japanese and the South Korean work ethic better than the other Mongoloid cultures? What is the present state of interactions among the various Mongoloid cultures and how do the non-Mongoloid Asians view them.

Are their any historic Mongoloid/part-Mongoloid populations outside of Asia?

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The word "Mongoloid" is an outdated and sometimes derogatory word. There are a great deal of variation between different groups of East Asians; not all of them look like Mongols.

The most common Y-dna haplogroups among East Asians are haplogroups O, C, N, D, and Q. Mongols and Tungusic peoples have high frequencies of haplogroup C3; Chinese have high frequencies of haplogroup O3; Korean and Japanese have high frequencies of haplogroup O2b.

Mt-dna haplogroups commonly found among East Asians are haplogroups R9, R11, N9a, N9b, A, B, F, M*, D4, D5, M7, M8, C, Z, M9, E, M10, M11, M12, G.

As you can see, they are a quite diverse population.

Haplogroups C and D are probably the first group of Homo Sapiens to inhabit Eastern Asia. They are the oldest Y-chromosome haplogroups outside of Africa; both are estimated to have arisen approximately 50000 BP. They probably underwent a great coastal migration starting from the horn of Africa, passing through southern Arabian peninsula and all the way to India and Southeast Asia. Haplogroup C is also found among Southern Indians (C5) and Australian aborigines (C4). Haplogroup D is commonly found in Tibet (D1 and D3), Japan (D2), and Andamanese Onge and Jarawa tribes (D*).

Haplogroups N, O, and Q are younger and they probably represent the second wave of migration towards Eastern Asia, roughly 40000 to 30000 BP.

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The word "Mongoloid" is an outdated and sometimes derogatory word. There are a great deal of variation between different groups of East Asians; not all of them look like Mongols.

The most common Y-dna haplogroups among East Asians are haplogroups O, C, N, D, and Q. Mongols and Tungusic peoples have high frequencies of haplogroup C3; Chinese have high frequencies of haplogroup O3; Korean and Japanese have high frequencies of haplogroup O2b.

Mt-dna haplogroups commonly found among East Asians are haplogroups R9, R11, N9a, N9b, A, B, F, M*, D4, D5, M7, M8, C, Z, M9, E, M10, M11, M12, G.

As you can see, they are a quite diverse population.

Haplogroups C and D are probably the first group of Homo Sapiens to inhabit Eastern Asia. They are the oldest Y-chromosome haplogroups outside of Africa; both are estimated to have arisen approximately 50000 BP. They probably underwent a great coastal migration starting from the horn of Africa, passing through southern Arabian peninsula and all the way to India and Southeast Asia. Haplogroup C is also found among Southern Indians (C5) and Australian aborigines (C4). Haplogroup D is commonly found in Tibet (D1 and D3), Japan (D2), and Andamanese Onge and Jarawa tribes (D*).

Haplogroups N, O, and Q are younger and they probably represent the second wave of migration towards Eastern Asia, roughly 40000 to 30000 BP.
I don't think Y-DNA can decide which race people belong to.mt-dna is also imprtant.And the most important thing is east asian do look similar to each other,maybe even closer than european.
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I don't think Y-DNA can decide which race people belong to.mt-dna is also imprtant.And the most important thing is east asian do look similar to each other,maybe even closer than european.
Neither your Y-DNA, nor your mtDNA do imply that you show features appertaining to a certain race/phenotype. I prefer to use phenotype instead of race to avoid all that "political correctness" bullshit.
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I don't think Y-DNA can decide which race people belong to.mt-dna is also imprtant.And the most important thing is east asian do look similar to each other,maybe even closer than european.
The whole race thing is just nonsense. Race is socially-constructed, not scientifically proven. In the end, we all belong to a single human race. And also, the terms such as "Mongoloid", "Caucasoid", or "Negroid" are outdated and to some extent racist. The fact that the same haplogroup could be found in different racial categories has already proven that race is nonexistant.

Not all East Asians look similar. The Northern East Asians do look similar, but Southern East Asians and Southeast Asians seem to show some varieties. And don't forget that there are also the Jomon Ainu people in Japan who don't really look like East Asians.

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I kind of think that the earliest inhabitants of Eastern Asia seemed to be Australoids. The Upper Cave 101 skull which probably dated to 30000 BP to 18000 BP showed some similarities with Jomon Ainu people. The 102 skull, which was probably a skull of a young woman, seemed to show affinities with Melanesian populations.

The skull of the Liujiang Man found in Guangxi province in Southern China (dated to 60000 BP to 10000 BP, date estimations vary significantly) also showed some affinities with Australoids and Australian aborigines. Another skull found in Minatogawa in Japan (probably dated to 30000 BP) is very similar to the Liujiang skull and both of them showed some degree of Australoid features.

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Ainu is considered to be a relic population of Paleo-Asians and they look similar to some Southern Indians and Australian aborigines.
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I'm not exactly sure when and where Neo East Asians first appeared, but according to some people, the earliest skeletons which showed similar features to modernday Northern East Asians (Northern Chinese, Korean, and some Japanese) seemed to be dated from Neolithic to Bronze Age Inner Mongolia. Some people associate them with the "戎狄" (Rong Di peoples) in ancient Chinese records.
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The details and evidences about human migrations into East Asia and the formation of modernday East Asians are scarce. However, from the handful of information that we have today, we could already conclude that the process seems to be more complex than most people have thought.

There seems to be three general stages in the development of East Asians. The Paleolithic East Asians most likely had a southern origin, and their remains seem to show some degrees of affinity with Australoid.
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This is a picture that I found on a Japanese anthropological site. They indicated the places where the skulls of Paleolithic East Asian peoples had been found, and they traced the possible migration routes.

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