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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #21
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Can we get a serious link on this? Dienkes isn't exactly a reputable source...

Exactly, I don't even understand why people keep listening to bloggers when it's not even mentioned in the scientific paper.

People will still get fooled by anyone who talks professional and very realistic in their own blogs and articles, but in the end the results contradicts everything they said.

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Because Y-DNA haplogroup D is a descendant of Y-DNA haplogroup DE* which has been found in Africa. The other descendant of Y-DNA haplogroup DE* is Y-DNA haplogroup E which is the most frequent Y-DNA haplogroup in Africa.
*DE originated perhaps about 60-70,000 years ago in the area of East Africa and South West Asia. From the other African haplotypes A and B it is seperated perhaps even since 80,000 BP. So *DE (or perhaps even *CT) and the later D is one of the first OoA-haplotypes. So D is not a sign of a higher African ancestry. H,F,O, R, Q, G, I, J, L, they all have some African ancestry - via *CT. A reason why D is higher among japanese than among others may be a consequence of the seperation of the islands. the appearence of D especially on the Andamans and tibet seems to indicate that such isolated regions could preserve the D haplotype.
It is my suggestion, that during a cooler phase, when the neanderthalians migrated into the near East the *CT group was divided into an mainly african E and an South Asian D. Here from the former *CT a new haplotype *CF evolved around 60ky. So that we had around 50ky a widespread D (even to east Asia) and in South Asia CF, while C already seem to be more common in India, while F was common in the west of South Asia.
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Can we get a serious link on this? Dienkes isn't exactly a reputable source...
Yes he is. He's a much more reputable source than 99% of the people on this forum.
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No, not the cultural ancestors - the physical ancestors of the Yayoi people are believed to have migrated into the Japanese archipelago from the area around Korea, via Kyushu, gradually displacing the Ainu-related Jomon-era people who had previously inhabited the islands.
Well from the little I know of the Japanese history it seems the Yayoi were finally able to impose their culture on the Jomon. In that sense we can say that the Yayoi are in one way true cultural ancestors of the modern Japanese who are composed of the ancient Jomon and Yayoi people. Of course it would be naive to say that the Jomon and the Yayoi were racially homogeneous populations.

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You are having a lend right?
I had to consult an online dictionary to understand what you are trying to say. Actually my intentions are pretty honest. I just wanted to lend some energy to the discussion and I think pictures speak much louder than words.

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I've already shown you the female data of Jomon. Why do I need to produce Yayoi data? you didn't asked me for it and what's the point anyway? it's obvious that they came from China and Korea, that's where their haplogroup O3c and O2b came from.

Some people can be so gullible... you saw a few picture and you think it's african admixture and not due to hair perm?

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We can't decide the modern genetic makeup of the Japanese people without taking in to account the male and the female lineages of the ancient populations.

BTW this particular image seems to be of South Koreans. The guy on the right definitely has some African genes or maybe he got a hair perm. It can be real tough to find out the genetic makeup of an individual from an image.
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It seems not only great african, but as well great iroqois influence
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Well from the little I know of the Japanese history it seems the Yayoi were finally able to impose their culture on the Jomon. In that sense we can say that the Yayoi are in one way true cultural ancestors of the modern Japanese who are composed of the ancient Jomon and Yayoi people. Of course it would be naive to say that the Jomon and the Yayoi were racially homogeneous populations.



I had to consult an online dictionary to understand what you are trying to say. Actually my intentions are pretty honest. I just wanted to lend some energy to the discussion and I think pictures speak much louder than words.



We can't decide the modern genetic makeup of the Japanese people without taking in to account the male and the female lineages of the ancient populations.

BTW this particular image seems to be of South Koreans. The guy on the right definitely has some African genes or maybe he got a hair perm. It can be real tough to find out the genetic makeup of an individual from an image.
Funny... how come his face is 100% Korean?
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Funny... how come his face is 100% Korean?
it's San-like, perhaps
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Funny... how come his face is 100% Korean?
There is no 100% Korean face if you ask me. There is no doubt a pure Korean Han Race and blood which is shared by the North and the South Koreans and the modern Chinese peoples but the faces of this Han Race are very different.

Please take a look at this music video. I am sure some of these folks can pass off as 100% modern Koreans with some cosmetic surgery and skin lightening

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BTW this particular image seems to be of South Koreans. The guy on the right definitely has some African genes or maybe he got a hair perm. It can be real tough to find out the genetic makeup of an individual from an image.
He just looks like a refugee from the 70s to me.

I wouldn't be drawing any conclusions from Asians with afros.

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Nabeshin, above, perms his every three months.
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