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Old November 20th, 2012, 04:40 AM   #31
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He just looks like a refugee from the 70s to me.

I wouldn't be drawing any conclusions from Asians with afros.

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Nabeshin, above, perms his every three months.
Do you mean the guy on the right left or center? Nabeshin seems to have darker skin than an average Japanese. Would you say it is because of higher African admixture or more exposure to sunlight?

This seems to be a good paper on the admixture perspective in the peopling of Japan.

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Here, we applied for the first time an admixture approach to study the Jomon-Yayoi transition, using Y-chromosomal data published earlier. Our results suggest that the Neolithic transition, in this part of the world, probably took place by a process of demic diffusion. We also show that for two populations that could not have contributed to this process, our approach is able to detect inconsistencies when they are used as parental populations.
Revisiting the peopling of Japan: an admixture p... [J Hum Genet. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
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Old November 20th, 2012, 06:42 AM   #32

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Do you mean the guy on the right left or center? Nabeshin seems to have darker skin than an average Japanese. Would you say it is because of higher African admixture or more exposure to sunlight?
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There is no African admixture existing, if you are not claiming all descendents of *CT Africans.

japanese Y-DNA
C1-4
C3-3
D1-0.1
D2-36
N-3
O1-1
O2a-0.1
O2b-32
O3-21

So what shall be African. It shows that we have three major groups there. D, C and O. I would suppose, that D is the oldest haplotype in japan, followed by a perhaps South-East Asian, Oceanian C and an east-asian and probably mongolide O.
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If we look on the mtDNA it is not different,

A-7.5
B4-8
B5-4
C-0.5
D4-30
D5-5
F-5.5
G-6
HV-0.1
M8a-18.5
M9-1.5
M10-1.5
M11-0.5
N9-3.5
Y-0.1
Z-1.5

Both N and M evolved in Africa and west asia from L3, more than 60 or 70ky BP. So maybe one could call it African admixture. But all the descendent mtDNA groups originated in Asia, mainly in the far east. A, Y and R, as well B, F and HV, are all descendents of N. They evolved from 60-30ky BP in East Asia, Southeast Asia or South Asia, some even went far as the Americas.
From M the mtDNA haplogroups C/Z, D and G evolved, as well 35-50ky BP and as well in East and North Asia. Some as well went to America.

This perfectly matches with the Y-DNA and it's three components from East and SE Asia, O, C and D.
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There is no African admixture existing, if you are not claiming all descendents of *CT Africans.

japanese Y-DNA
C1-4
C3-3
D1-0.1
D2-36
N-3
O1-1
O2a-0.1
O2b-32
O3-21

So what shall be African. It shows that we have three major groups there. D, C and O. I would suppose, that D is the oldest haplotype in japan, followed by a perhaps South-East Asian, Oceanian C and an east-asian and probably mongolide O.
Y-DNA haplogroup D = 36 ~ 50% among Japanese.

D is a descendant of DE* which is found in Africa. The other descendant of DE* is E, which is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in Africans.

Therefore, Japanese Y-DNA chromosomes are derived from African DE*.
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Y-DNA haplogroup D = 36 ~ 50% among Japanese.

D is a descendant of DE* which is found in Africa. The other descendant of DE* is E, which is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in Africans.

Therefore, Japanese Y-DNA chromosomes are derived from African DE*.
Yes, but *DE originated perhaps up to 70ky BP, perhaps in Africa, perhaps in West Asia, perhaps on both continents around the Mouth of the Red Sea. So
*DE is the haplotype of the ancestors of all non-african populations and while D remained mainly in the west, D spread all over Asia untill it was replaced by other haplotypes. If Japanese are of African admixture therefor, then everybody all around the world is, too.
D was widely replaced in Asia and exists only in retreats or isolated places.
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Do you mean the guy on the right left or center? Nabeshin seems to have darker skin than an average Japanese. Would you say it is because of higher African admixture or more exposure to sunlight?
Nabeshin is the guy in the red jacket in my picture. He's a well-known TV producer. He doesn't look particularly darker than your average Japanese to me.

He's no darker than the two people standing next to him:
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But let's suppose the OP is right and the Japanese have somehow, uniquely amongst East Asian populations, retained more African genes than all the other populations around them, I have one simple question:

So what?
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There is no African admixture existing, if you are not claiming all descendents of *CT Africans.

japanese Y-DNA
C1-4
C3-3
D1-0.1
D2-36
N-3
O1-1
O2a-0.1
O2b-32
O3-21

So what shall be African. It shows that we have three major groups there. D, C and O. I would suppose, that D is the oldest haplotype in japan, followed by a perhaps South-East Asian, Oceanian C and an east-asian and probably mongolide O.
I think your analysis is correct and I agree with you beorna.

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Nabeshin is the guy in the red jacket in my picture. He's a well-known TV producer. He doesn't look particularly darker than your average Japanese to me.

He's no darker than the two people standing next to him:
Click the image to open in full size.

But let's suppose the OP is right and the Japanese have somehow, uniquely amongst East Asian populations, retained more African genes than all the other populations around them, I have one simple question:

So what?
Yes, he looks much Fairer in the second image. I'd say he looks pretty yellow in the first one you posted. Maybe due to the yellow background directly behind his face.

Nothing really, we are just discussing the genetic makeup of the modern Japanese people here.
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Nabeshin is the guy in the red jacket in my picture. He's a well-known TV producer. He doesn't look particularly darker than your average Japanese to me.

He's no darker than the two people standing next to him:
Click the image to open in full size.

But let's suppose the OP is right and the Japanese have somehow, uniquely amongst East Asian populations, retained more African genes than all the other populations around them, I have one simple question:

So what?
The girl on the right has a very typical Japanese facial type.
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The girl on the right has a very typical Japanese facial type.
I have seen it in India pretty often if u ask me. Terribly terrified and unsure.
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I have seen it in India pretty often if u ask me. Terribly terrified and unsure.
Japanese have higher ASI admixture than other East Asians so that may be why.
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